Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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Jam jar binks
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imma narrow that list down to dragons and pegasi.
dragons, cause well... dragon.
and pegasi cause they have flying fortressees too. airships can mound Crude AA cannons
dragons, cause well... dragon.
and pegasi cause they have flying fortressees too. airships can mound Crude AA cannons
Changelings don't need to face the AA, amphiteres are basically arial superiority in dragon form, harpies ... harpies might be shit out of luck.
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Jam jar binks
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little bit, would be nice. problem is though, they're hard to make. most >basic AA is hard in fact. im thinking of designs now lol
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I don't think we should risk opening any new doors while we still have quite a few to deal with, we still need to deal with the Maretonia situation, decide what to do with the Changelings, make a decision about the Thestrals, start the Griffonstone project and meet with the dragons and Buffaloes
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The dragons would technically count as "opening a new door", as I expect they'd be under the "Cautious Curiosity" action category.
presumably far south is dragons, and far east is the zebras.
We have good reasons to meet both of those, actually. From the Zebras we could acquire more magical knowledge, particularly about ritual magic and potioncraft/alchemy. Maybe we could recruit a local expert for our council, who knows.
From the Dragons we could acquire valuable reagents (mostly dragon bones/scales/eggshells for our runes), and diplomatic contact could help ensure Maretonia Won't be attacked in the near future. Neighpon and Koryu might be of help here, depending on the relationship between heavenly dragons and "normal" dragons. After all Discord seems to have ruled for "just" a few centuries, so it's very likely the current dragon lord knew the heavenly dragons personally. If they were enemies it's not impossible they might decide to try and kill them while they're asleep... or they might have been ancient friends/allies, or even the focus of some kind of religion, if dragons have that.
...on the other hand we have zero reason to meet the Buffalo beyond just curiosity. They're a nomadic people, kinda like the Yaks in the beginning, except they live beyond even equestrian territory and are mostly their problem. They likely have nothing to offer, and we'd have to go through Equestria to talk to them anyway.
They're, quite simply, beneath notice. At least the Yaks were close enough to be either a potential resource or problem, the buffalo... are not.
That's fair though I'm still hesitant to open up those doors until we have at least started dealing with the Maretonia situation
True but we're going to have to meet with them sooner or later anyway
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Zebras are not really a priority, we CAN delay that if we want or need the actions for anything else.
Dragons... well, at the very least we'd probably want to talk to them one or two turns after the maretonian conference about what is going to happen there. (so... probably turn 34 at the latest. And that's unless we face dragon problems before official contact, like the raiding band we just saw)
not really, and any action we used on them NOW would be better used on more important people.
It's... how do I put it... LIke if the USA bothered to spend a significant amount of time and resources on meeting the people of a small island state beyond their sphere of influence and with nothing to offer.
...no, that's not quite what I want to say... simply put, the buffalos are beneath our notice and of no use to us. any actions devoted to them would be better used on the Equestrians instead. They're basically the native americans to Equestria's USA (except I think Celestia and Luna will do better than the USA, so no "trails of tears" equivalent, hopefully.)
what would we even sell them? and How would they pay for it?
The YAKS took more than a decade to actually become a decent trading partner, and that took a transition to an actual nation. They also had Orichalcum we were interested in.
The Buffalo... as far as we know they don't have such things, and even if they did Equestria is in an immensely better position to trade with them.
If anything we'd probably end up acquiring anything of interest they have (except maybe the occasional immigrant/traveler wanting to see the world and not satisfied with the closer Equestria) it would just be easier to do so through Equestria.
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You're basing most of this on nothing.
Map filling: we already have a map of their territory, actually
Buffalo lands are the plains and deserts south of Equestria."I'm afraid we don't know much. We first encountered them only a few years ago, and as I said, they largely keep to themselves. Not out of a sense of avoidance you understand, but a lack of concurrent interests between us and them. They have little interest in trade, and we have no mutual foes. In many ways they greatly resemble the Yaks you spoke of when your people first encountered them: nomadic, divided into numerous tribes, spiritual and culturally conservative. They inhabit the plains and deserts to our South, at the very reaches of the land we can honestly stake claim to."
They've been compared to the nomadic yaks: Isolationists, not much interested in trade, and satisfied with their current lifestyle.
As a reminder, the Yaks only transitioned to a country system after seeing how they were COMPLETELY unprepared for threats like Sombra... plus seeing the prosperity of Gryphus and wanting some of it for themselves.
Herb Lore and Spirit lore... we don't know if they have any. Yaks have their shaman prophets, but that's not exactly something that can be easily shared.
stoy trade? Maybe, i suppose.
Still, they give very little rewards for the effort required.
If we had to use martial actions to meet them, those would be better used on Zebras and Dragons.
If we needed diplomatic actions for that, they'd be better used on Equestria... or really any other country we already have contacts with.
At some point we might have enough slack to spare an action to meet them... but I doubt much will come out of it.
I'm basing this on the fact that they exist, you don't survive in the wild without learning at least a handful of the local herbs and plants of note, especially as obligate herbivores. Spirit lore may not be hyper useful, but they have it, and it'd be worth checking for any obvious discrepancies from the neighponese version, and to make sure they're not infested with changelings like canterbury is. As for map fill-in they would be the easiest people to ask about their non-equestrian borders. Sure it's not going to replace scouting them out ourselves, but it would give us a heads up, and maybe point us towards interesting places to prioritize.
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Considering that it's a Martial action and they're all allocated for next turn then I wouldn't be against dealing with Maretonia next turn and doing the foreign legion and contacting the dragons the one after that
Assuming nothing drastic changes of course
It's entirely possible that that is the case but I think that we'd be doing ourselves a disservice to not at least check, they could very well have orichalcum or other natural resources that they don't know how to use and it would be rather rude of us to deem any newly discovered nation of people completely unimportant and refuse to even meet with them
And as for them not being within our sphere of influence, they arguably kinda are, if the patched together maps are accurate they're actually Maretonia's western neighbours which means that at the very least they're well within our range and if everything goes according to plan will be our neighbours
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mh... Foreign legion was thought as a way to swell our ranks BEFORE the maretonian conflict. the action would probably change its text @Questor We don't really need to expand our army after this, not unless the dragons or yeti prove themselves to be an imminent threat. Especially after we ALREADY expanded it not long ago.
Then again, I also acknowledge that foreign legion brings different/new capacities. We could certainly use a few unicorn spellcasters, for example.
...I wonder if foreign legion and immigration would synergize or hinder each other though.
fair point on the "will be neighbour" thing. Still, if we TRULY want to meet them, we might want to either mention the yaks or bring them with us at the meeting.
Not sure why people are talking about contacting the Buffalo. Aren't the lands near Maretonia a more immediate concern? It's only a matter of time before they notice how weak their neighbor is from the civil war. Contacting them now might give us a chance to prevent another war in the region or at least buy some time for Maretonia to recover.
The primary argument is that we should at least make contact with the people we know about before we open a whole new can of worms
Plus the Buffaloes are also seemingly Maretonia's neighbours so if we take them over they become our neighbours and the easiest way to Equestria
I don't think the Buffaloes border Maretonia. In part two of meeting the princesses the Buffaloes were described as being south of Equestria and Equestria is west of Maretonia with Canterbury and some unexplored land in between. I think there might be one or two unknown countries in between Maretonia and the Buffaloes.
They are to the south of most of Equestria but the country is large enough that it's also to their east
Look at the maps, in the map we got of Equestria when we first met them there's a large empty space to their southeast which immediately borders Maretonia
And in the following section when talking about the Buffaloes we see a map of their lands that pretty closely resembles that empty area
It's not one to one and it could be wrong but either there's a lot more to the map that's we're seeing or that's where they are
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mh... actually, now that I look closely at it, the buffalo lands also has Equestria both at its north and east in the second map, but the "empty" area in the first map doesn't have Equestria to its north, but Canterbury.They are to the south of most of Equestria but the country is large enough that it's also to their east
Look at the maps, in the map we got of Equestria when we first met them there's a large empty space to their southeast which immediately borders Maretonia
And in the following section when talking about the Buffaloes we see a map of their lands that pretty closely resembles that empty area
It's not one to one and it could be wrong but either there's a lot more to the map that's we're seeing or that's where they are
Also the cities of Baltimare, Las Pegasus and Neigh Orleans are showed in the third map, but not the first two.
This can only really mean one thing: Equestria extends a LOT more to the south than it first appeared, and Buffalo Lands are also more to the south.
Either they neighbour the southernmost parts of Maretonia... or maybe both Buffalo Lands and Equestria actually neighbour the dragonlands (or undiscovered countries)
That is possible though personally I think it's more likely to be a mistake since otherwise Equestria would be a lot bigger than we thought and for some reason suddenly spikes eastwards without encountering any other countries despite perfectly surrounding one