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Monochromatic Ursine
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- Tennessee
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Yeah, she has nothing to do with dreams.
If she goes crazy she'd be Solar Flare.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
- Thread starter Questor
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If she goes crazy she'd be Solar Flare.
- Location
- Italy
I don't think that's what he meant
Also it's VERY easy to picture Celestia going evil mode. Just have her face a genocidal threat to her ponies, for example, someone important dies because of her mercy, and she goes the way of Superman in Injustice (conquer the world to impose peace basically, and kill all the villains). or maybe have HER kill Luna by mistake when SHE goes Nightmare.
That's assuming the "Nightmare" is not an external entity possessing the individual, in which case it would be even easier
By the way her evil alter-ego appeared in the comics (and also one episode in a dream). She's called Daybreaker
Point taken, I was unaware of that distinction and was more refering to how much autonomy they'd have once fully integrated (which they pretty much are we just need to make it official).
And also. The falling out between the sisters could completely change. I mean, even with the fact the nightmare thing might not be in the picture, what led to the falling out is still there. We may very well see a falling out that could either go smoothly or messily depending on where the dice falls.
Lurking_Badger
Cheese Enjoyer
- Location
- Wisconsin
There are plenty of ways for things to turn out, even without the nightmare. A civil war, princess in exile, one of them dying, a long term 'diplomacy' mission outside the country, revolution, just taking their people and leaving, the silent treatment, and so much more.
The whole situation is both family and politically based, so it just makes things more complicated.
I am now imagining the moon one getting sick of the sun one and taking her bats with her to our empire asking to become citizens and some land to live on?
Lurking_Badger
Cheese Enjoyer
- Location
- Wisconsin
Imagine this.
Luna, the moon one, takes her bat ponies to Maretania and makes a deal to become the monarch of part of it. Some sweet military protection and moon control for a nation of her own. They already want a monarch, so it works out!
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
She would probably claim territory and make her own country, as ask gryphus for help developing.
Then we have to play the friend on the middle where they talk to each other trough us.
when we make telegrams they just continue then we make radios the still do it even when telephones are in every home they still call us to tell us something so we call the other to tell them it!
That's part of why I suggested using a personal action to start writing to Luna. If we express sympathy for the thestrals' situation and offer to help we might build stronger ties with Equestria. If her efforts to better integrate the thestrals fail then we might get thestral immigrants or Luna herself might defect (a remote possibility I'll admit).
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- Location
- Very very lost
But then we would have to admit spying on them, which would end badly
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- Space
Seems OC to me as we don't really have a reason to do this and ultimately we shouldn't work under assumption that cannon will happen , one big difference being that Crystal empire bordered us opposed to Equestria for example.
Generally I'm of opinion to leave this to the royal sisters to handle and continue to concern ourselves with our own problems . Luna opposed to cannon has a lot of opportunities to prove herself as well, one example is the fact that Equestria knows more about the world opposed to being isolated, has a better example of other nations exsisting opposed to Sombra ,etc. Also Empire is pushing them to reform to keep up, opposed to being leading civilization in cannon which will help significantly and the fact that they have two rulers will really shine as one can always manage internal affairs while other does something else.
Ultimately Luna is smart and has a lot of opportunities to take without us and source of her problem won't really be solved by our meddling, or help. Her problem is not being appreciated enough by her subjects and her sister, that can't be solved by going under our wing , or us meddling in Equestrian internal affairs, she needs to solve this with her own family and her own subjects.
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Jam jar binks
Thing Futzer
- Location
- Maybe!
afaik we haven't really gone farther then the very basic level of spying, and I'm pretty sure equestria is trying to spy on us at the same level at the very least. everyone spies on everyone, so its not that big a deal.
I am now imagining the pony spies being bad (or that our guys are so good that they are bad compared to them)but because our people feel bad for them they go along with it for a bit and give them some basic information?
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Is less about being bad and more about there's a lot going on on the empire, the cults, the cosmopolitan live, the industry, a truly multi species civilization.
Most of the spying would is confirming what a griphon diplomat would already explain to them.
The only 2 things that would be a "secret" would be how gryphus was waging a shadow war against maretonia long before the actual military intervention, and the same noble corruption bullshit that we found on equestria, but to a lesser extent since we hamered them down a few years ago.
Most of the spying would is confirming what a griphon diplomat would already explain to them.
The only 2 things that would be a "secret" would be how gryphus was waging a shadow war against maretonia long before the actual military intervention, and the same noble corruption bullshit that we found on equestria, but to a lesser extent since we hamered them down a few years ago.
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- Italy
TODAY, real world, everyone spies on everyone.
It's not impossible for the princesses to be more naive and don't think about it. It depends on their backstory, and how long they ruled for before Discord came and wrecked everything. After that, it should have been many decades at the very least (if not more) before they managed to defeat him (it seems to be implied Discord ruled for multiple generations), and they've only recently unified the various nobles under them...
SO, what I'm saying is simply that while I expect them to understand the reality of spying, it's not completely impossible for them to not having realized it yet.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Now I'm imagining one of our agents just painted up in black and pretending to be a gargoyle on the side of a building
Course, building gargoyles are probably not things here, what with gargoyles being an actual species. Still a funny image though.
Jam jar binks
Thing Futzer
- Location
- Maybe!
"New shipment from Lord Whatisface."Now I'm imagining one of our agents just painted up in black and pretending to be a gargoyle on the side of a building
Course, building gargoyles are probably not things here, what with gargoyles being an actual species. Still a funny image though.
"Well thats a strange looking statue. Very well, put it next to the town square."
Not really, it's not a secret just something they wouldn't expect a foreigner to know. With the new trade route it's not unbelievable that such information would reach us, even if it is something obscure.
I'm not basing any of my assumptions on anything but what we've been told in the quest, I'm on the same page that we shouldn't make assumptions based on the show.
What we have been told in game is that there are thestrals, they tend to live in their own communities because they're ostracized by the other pony races, they're obligate omnivores (might be the reason for the bad treatment but we don't know for certain), and that Luna is trying to change their bad reputation with the establishment of the night guard. It's a good first step but it sounds like things aren't progressing as quickly as she'd like. It seems completely in character for us to say "I've dealt with the same problem and would be happy to give you advice on the matter. Also, if things go badly the thestrals would be welcome over here.". We've got the best record of integrating different races and cultures out of any nation in the known world so I imagine our opinion on that subject would carry enough weight that she'd at least consider it.
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RoninSword
Sky God
- Location
- Canada
Even if the details are sparse, it is publicly known that we have a Ministry of Intelligence.
