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What omake are you talking about ?
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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Not an omake it is something mentioned in the Quest
I think you guys are overthinking it. The solution to dangerous magic is simple, we just apply existing laws to magic. For example using hypnosis to mind control someone into doing something they would not agree to would be would be considered illegal in the same way other forms of coercion like threats of violence would be. With that legal standard the same magic could be used for benificial purposes so long as the user obtianed consent beforehand and had no intention to do harm. For example a therapist might be hired to use hypnosis to stop a patient's unhealthy compulsive behaviors. Magic is just a tool, it's what it is being used for that we should be concerned about. As for enforcement, we've got anti-magic metal that can dispell magic just by being near it. If we think someone might be cursed or something just poke them with a piece of orichalcum ore and see what happens. I assume that's already happening without us needing to waste any actions on it.
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Pretty sure you are conflating a semi-canon omake I wrote about what little "Crystal Pony Resistance" there was and monstrously evil mechanisms and spellwork needed to operate all those ponies by Sombra. The idea I posited was that the helmets and control device were to help with ponies who had nerve damage and required physical therapy.
<Meanwhile in the Crystal Library 1000 years hence>
Twilight Sparkle: Oh... This is amazingly complex, elegant spellcraft. The level of operations! The coding! This is a masterpiece of spellwork. If you had something like the crystal heart this would run without much issue even error correct!... Wait what was this spell used for back then, I mean there was little stopping industrial golems 1000 years ago if the Griffons had this, and you only started rudimentary golems a few years ago?
Garrick XVII: Sombra created it to enslave the Crystal Empire
Twilight: <jaw drops>
Garrick XVII: In addition to being one of the worst tyrants ever... he was unfortunately a genius in operational languages too. Why do you think it took us 800 years to come up with computers?
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Sorry for the double post but figured an omake might be worth it
The Minotaur Republic of Knosos Flag
It is said that when the Senior Vexillologist of the Gryphus Empire first lay eyes upon the Banner of the Minotaur Republic of Knosos... he promptly lost his lunch. Yet the banner in a way perfectly fits for a Minotaur Republic as Knosos streets are an almost labyrinthian maze and since public maps are exceedingly rare for defensive reasons, more often than not Griffons have had to take flight just to find their destination irking the occasional minotaur citizen who finds a lost griffon sitting on their roof or chimney lost and searching for their destination. Somehow Minotaurs find the incredibly unintuitive to be very easy to navigate though, even if some prominent foreign merchants have taken to tieing "Colored yarn guidelines" to help navigate from the port to the foreigner's quarter (which bizarrely enough Minotaurs get lost in with it's straight streets and right angle paths. The Red Laurel is indicative of grasslands surrounding Knosos and the copper and gold symoblize the origin of... and material sustaining the growth of the republic.
This flag... makes sense to minotaur sensibilities but not anyone else. To add to foreign ministries dismay, keeping the flags of the Minotaur Republics straight is a nightmare as they ALL have Red Laurels, Bronze, Copper and Gold with Black... Just the internal labyrinth pattern changes... Making and drawing this flag took a bit of doing but I found some good baseline images.
@Questor for omake notice
The Minotaur Republic of Knosos Flag
It is said that when the Senior Vexillologist of the Gryphus Empire first lay eyes upon the Banner of the Minotaur Republic of Knosos... he promptly lost his lunch. Yet the banner in a way perfectly fits for a Minotaur Republic as Knosos streets are an almost labyrinthian maze and since public maps are exceedingly rare for defensive reasons, more often than not Griffons have had to take flight just to find their destination irking the occasional minotaur citizen who finds a lost griffon sitting on their roof or chimney lost and searching for their destination. Somehow Minotaurs find the incredibly unintuitive to be very easy to navigate though, even if some prominent foreign merchants have taken to tieing "Colored yarn guidelines" to help navigate from the port to the foreigner's quarter (which bizarrely enough Minotaurs get lost in with it's straight streets and right angle paths. The Red Laurel is indicative of grasslands surrounding Knosos and the copper and gold symoblize the origin of... and material sustaining the growth of the republic.
This flag... makes sense to minotaur sensibilities but not anyone else. To add to foreign ministries dismay, keeping the flags of the Minotaur Republics straight is a nightmare as they ALL have Red Laurels, Bronze, Copper and Gold with Black... Just the internal labyrinth pattern changes... Making and drawing this flag took a bit of doing but I found some good baseline images.
@Questor for omake notice
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we also need a legal framework for "who's allowed to learn/study/research which magics" though.
Hypnosis is a good example. I'm fine having it being researched by accredited and vetted researchers, whose name is kept in an official list of everyone who knows how to do x... But I wouldn't want a random pony to be able to easily learn it.
We can't exactly stop someone from using those forbidden magics if they manage to use them in secret.
Indeed though I will again urge that we take into consideration the finer variants.
It is a rather more difficult and knowledge intensive task to create a moving illusion than a simpler static anchored illusion meant to keep something safe.
It is presumably rather less unsafe and all the more simple to attempt to consult lingering spirits than to create undead.
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depends on the undead, really. is a zombie a soul bound to a corpse, or basically a golem/body moved by magic?
Tough to be fair,the second kind isn't really an undead, but more of a puppet.
but really, we don't even know if necromancy is a thing in this universe!
Jam jar binks
Thing Futzer
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quick question in regards to our tech level, where are we relative to irl industrial revolution? cause with the steam engines and paddle boats it feels like we are getting close to smth like an industrial revolution
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
We have blast furnaces, steam engies and blimps.
On the other hand we still use black powder and dont know what is rifling. So it varyes at the top end we have earlyer 20th century stuff.
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Jam jar binks
Thing Futzer
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that lines up with about where I guessed it would (14-18th century). Imagine where the empire will be by canon time lol
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Yeah our gun tech funnily enough is what lags behind.
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Do keep in mind that European industrial revolutions were different than the US ones, for all you Americans in the quest. The US basically did a speedrun of it. The European version of the industrial revolutions went through many phases over the course of 400 or so years.
Lurking_Badger
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It doesn't help that technologies isn't linear. There are some things that can't really be invented before another, but some things just took someone thinking of them to happen. There are also some weird things that happened with technology during history, like the Hydraulic Power Network or the contact lens first being theorized in 1508 and created in 1801.
Technology is weird.
The Americans only speed ran it because we did all the hard work of actually inventing the damn stuff!
Damn
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What about the Japanese, speaking of which should we keep an eye on Neighpon as well?
The Japanese get a pass because they were forced to industrialise at the barrel of a gun plus they didn't kill any natives in the process and had to deal with the samurai
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wait, didn't they kill the samurai? And aren't the samurai natives?
So, the Japanese DID kill the natives then!
Ah but the difference is that the samurai were the ones who caused the violence because they threw a hissy fit over having their swords taken away!wait, didn't they kill the samurai? And aren't the samurai natives?
So, the Japanese DID kill the natives then!
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details!
Yeah but the major signifier of that was having their swords and authority taken away in order to ensure that the government was the only one who could enforce the law and use force legally rather than random people with swords
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That is another important point, yes. Real life is not a Civilization tech tree. Heck, some things can be invented by complete accident before it's even understood how they work.
Edited because I realized that Jonas is probably not American by his use of "industrialise" over "industrialize" and thus my joke towards him did not fit.
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and some things can be invented, but remain a curiosity because there's just not a big incentive to their use or they're solutions in search of problems. (The Romans had a very primitive steam engine. It was basically just a party trick/curiosity with no actual use, as far as we know. But if they had had better metallurgy, maybe they could have modified it to actually be useful...)
Sometimes it's just a matter of perspective. I remember reading that the slightly sticky post-it notes were an accidental invention, for example. The creator was trying to create a strong adhesive, but the one he came up with was weak and not that long-lasting... and yet, as we all know, even THAT could have a good use.
Also, sometime, an invention simply comes too soon.
...On the talk of "inventions that need other inventions"... I always recommend giving a read/watch to Dr. Stone. the first few chapters/episodes are pretty boring, but after that it's marvelous, and it's always entertaining to see how the (admittedly unrealistically knowledgeable and lucky) main character manages to build all sorts of modern technology basically from scratch.
Many discoveries often start not with "EUREKA", but with "huh? That's interesting."