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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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Karugus said:
Moreover, you're literally defending a policy of aggressive imperialism because you are convinced no one can call us out on it.
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No, I'm defending it because your arguments against it are A. Poorly Constructed, and B. in defense of SLAVING CANNIBALS.

I'm just gonna go ahead and quote a Brit doing a rare good thing in colonialism "It is your custom to burn widows, it is my custom to hang those who burn women, let us all act according to our custom."

Sure, maybe we don't perfectly get rid of all the slaving cannibals cus they've got lots of hiding places. Is that a reason to not try?
 
Karugus said:
It does that for individuals though (and most of our prominent individuals are protected one way or another by now), and we're reaching the point where most of our battles are going to have tens of thousands of our soldiers fighting, especially as our population balloons in the wake of our industrializing. Knightly orders are always going to have some relevancy for sure but our professional infantry core and increasingly sophisticated artillery is only going to get more and more prominent.

Further proposed uses for Orichalcum are for limited specialist roles like cannon shot.


I'd appreciate a lot more argument over the far more impactful situation with Maretonia than immediately moving on to a new obsession. How that shakes out could easily shape our national interest for an entire generation- its a complicated situation which offers diverse opportunities where we have information to speculate.


If you think we're going to get away with "Uighur" and that the yetis will just be content to sit around and be genocided by us, I don't think we're ever going to agree on colonial policy in the storm countries. It's hilariously easy to say 'kill all the adults and raise the children right' but doing that is hard without modern technologies, a decentralized population, and hostile terrain. If America couldn't do that with the Philippines, I don't see why we can casually do it with literal yetis. We didn't even sack and loot Mare-A-Thon, for all our militarism we are shrinking violets to the sort of deliberate and calculated butchery you're advocating.

Moreover, you're literally defending a policy of aggressive imperialism because you are convinced no one can call us out on it. Nevermind Alicorns or diplomatic coalitions, we don't need to give people incentive to treat us like a hostile encroaching empire, realistically any domination of Maretonia (annexation, economic dependence, protectorate, balkanization- whatever) is going to raise enough eyebrows, precisely because there's no obvious checks on the Gryphons anymore. Invading a bunch of isolationist slavers with the intention of destroying their civilization in totality is not going to look good in a world that flat out does not have the same culture and beliefs regarding colonial imperialism as ours.
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Who said anything about genociding the yetis? When I say colonize I mean conquer them and mass emigrate our people in to make sure it sticks. Basically "We're in charge now, you will obey our laws, and those people who just got off those boats are your new neighbors".
 
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Lets scout storm first and get a full survey of the place before we make plans.
Right now we are dealing with incomplete information.
 
w34v3r said:
What's the difference?
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Its small but, fact is a extrapolation on data that can acepted as truth. Like the Yetis being canibale and slavers, or they being the only power on storm, They being unified or divided.
Data is just information. demographic distribution, tech level. you know stuff we can speculate upon. We know next nothing on storm to realy plan conquest, charge blind into a hostile territory with more hostile natives is what USA did on vietnam
 
MrRobot said:
Its small but, fact is a extrapolation on data that can acepted as truth. Like the Yetis being canibale and slavers, or they being the only power on storm, They being unified or divided.
Data is just information. demographic distribution, tech level. you know stuff we can speculate upon. We know next nothing on storm to realy plan conquest, charge blind into a hostile territory with more hostile natives is what USA did on vietnam
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Data can't lie. But it is extremely easy to lie via presentation of said data.

Edit: Accurate data tells things as it is, but can be presented in a way that is false. Though if the info given was wrong in the first place, like if someone swapped the info about the data, then... 🤷‍♂️
 
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Yeah basicaly, what pepole are doing right now is dicussing the exact way to Leroy jenkys storm and hope for the best...
We have the tech or are close to the tech for scouting storm safely and the yetis are not a imidiate problem
 
still, it helps with both the boredom and with any planning we do in the future, arguments have already happened, etc, etc...
 
Yeah but got to a point were pepole stated to galvanize their positions taking speculation based on insuficient data as facts. And the discussion would devolve into a versus debate.
Therefore, we need to stop a reacess the situation
 
MrRobot said:
Its small but, fact is a extrapolation on data that can acepted as truth. Like the Yetis being canibale and slavers, or they being the only power on storm, They being unified or divided.
Data is just information. demographic distribution, tech level. you know stuff we can speculate upon. We know next nothing on storm to realy plan conquest, charge blind into a hostile territory with more hostile natives is what USA did on vietnam
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True, we do need to do some scouting and espionage to figure out exactly what we're dealing with. If the yetis that attacked us are just a small faction within storm country instead of members of a larger nation then we'll just invade and colonize that small part. After that we can decide how best to expand our influence from there. As far as I'm concerned we already have Casus Belli from them attacking our explorers without provocation. If the rest of storm country is more peaceful then we'll expand our influence through trade and diplomacy. If being a violent xenophobic slaver proves to the norm for yetis then I see no reason why we wouldn't try to, eventually, conquer and colonize the entire region.
 
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MrRobot said:
Simple, we dont know if only the yetis have a claim to the region, insuficient data.
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He's right there might be some kinda of super advanced and strong race(s) that uses the yetis as slaves or some kind of slave race(s) the yetis use for menial labor there, Hell for all we know there might be giant flying spaghetti monsters that they worship
 
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I dont think there any group that realy worship discord.
Some woul want to use his power like the changelings but any organization that worship disorder is counterintuitive on itself.
 
Honestly the only people I could see worshiping discord would be some kind of anarchist cult, or some off individuals who believe that their home/people are weak or some greater evil is coming so want to spreed chaos in an attempt to strengthen their home by forcing them to overcome the hardships and become stronger in the process or die trying as if they weren't strong enough to overcome this then they truly didn't have any hope to survive whatever came next.
 
MrRobot said:
Maybe but you most being dont want chaos for sake of chaos itself, even the ones that realy want dissrupt the order do it for the opportunities it bring
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Crazy people want Chaos, Plus people still worship Sheogorath Daedric prince of MADDNESS who makes Discord seem like the embodiment of order in comparison
 
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