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and they fought, and they won, and there's no slaves anymore. They just wouldn't fight/push as much to convince OTHER PONIES to do what they think is the best thing (joining us), as long as they're not... well, slaves.My issue here lays in two places:
1) We're literally talking about people who cared enough about what happened to their fellow Maretonians to not just join the Abolitionists but stay behind and fight a bloody civil war when they could have just taken their loved ones and ran to the Empire
cheaper and easier? Sure.My issue with this is that this isn't a situation that has to be output under control, it's a potentially lucrative deal with an island rich in resources and who already like us
It's cheaper, easier and more lucrative to spend a turn in the Emerald Dogs and deal with the Caribou afterwards than deal with escalating situation now
More lucrative? well, maybe, but dealing with Olenia (which is STILL lucrative) also comes with the side benefit of "defuse another potential conflict", which is nice seeing as we have other problems to deal with.
Also we're not exactly short on money (though more is always better).
I would very much argue in favour of linen production, it's faster, likely to earn us more money, the Crystal Ponies like us well enough as it is and right now is arguably the best time to do it since Maretonia is probably desperate for cheap, sturdy material
You know, I actually agree with this.
Of course Ponies don't really use much clothes at all, so it's not as important as it would be in human worlds... but even ponies wear clothes in winter.
Well, I understand your point. I just don't care much for the cult.My thought here is that we're doing enough this turn to keep Neighpon happy that boosting their religion isn't necessary whereas the Cult has been just as ignored as them and isn't getting any other support
I'm all for doing seaside shrines next turn but I think the Cult deserves the attention first
I don't hate them, but... I just don't care about them. I CAN see the use of pushing them right after this victory though.
mh... important point.Supporting the Succesionists would not make a full Maretonian Protectorate impossible, but it would make it more difficult to achieve.
So, should we bet and aim high, or take the sure win? Short and medium term we'd probably be better of with just Northern Maretonia (Less to rebuild, still a sizeable population of magic users to integrate in our economy), while long term full annexation/protectorate would likely be better,but MUCH more expensive and problematic in the short-mid term.
I'm personally tempted to go for separatist support. No need to be too greedy, and it's already quite the prize. We can then use the fact the protectorate technically separates us from OUR new province to push for that referendum and make the crystal protectorate officially part of the empire as well.
Even better, push the abolitionists to separate and join us, THEN covertly support Copper Top to the throne.
We get a province we own officially, and a ruler heavily indebted to us. Best of both worlds.
We can then push for favourable deals, like magical knowledge exchanges, trade, easy migration and so on, plus low-interest loans to the new queen (or even outright compensation for the separatist province).
one action is locked (arcane college), you can only pick one.[ ] Crystal Forests: Cost: 400. Time: Three Years. Reward: Crystal Protectorate develops domestic logging industry, increased logging income.
[ ] Supplying a Demand: Cost: 600. Time: One Year. Reward: Boosted Linen Exports, Additional Trade Income. Chance of Success: 65%
We've been told they won't go bad, so we can delay them if we want. Still good reasons to research them now (hopefully rune sinergy, maybe even sinergy with runic sword), but not essential[ ] Bio-magical Samples: Your troops recovered a large number of samples from both the Ursa Major and the Dragons that you encountered in Maretonia, and Archimedes, Genevieve and Merlin are very eager to study them and see what sort of practical uses they might be able to gain from them. Toss some funds at the issue and see if their research bears any fruit. Cost: 200. Time: One Year. Reward: Possible Applications of Ursa blood and Dragon Remains.
Other than this, I'd actually be fine with this plan. Not sure if it will be my one pick, but I'd be fine with it.
"some reason" is actually good reasons. A new start, "go under those that helped us instead of those that oppressed us" and so on.I have… issues with that
Establishing a Maretonian Protectorate was always going to be difficult but now we're being told that the only action available to us to influence the situation actually makes it more difficult because the only group we can support are the ones that want to carve the country up for some reason
But I get what I mean.
I will point out that maybe we don't want to be too greedy/ambitious. Northern Maretonia, and maybe influence over the new Maretonia under Queen Copper Top would definitely be a good ending for us AND for Maretonia, which would likely get some compensation/loans from us in exchange for the recognition of the acquired province.
But there's a limit to how much Copper Top can OPENLY support us without coming out as "actually, he's my boss".Copper Top was our spy inside House White Star and was more than willing to work with us, as for the rest of House White Star there should be very few of them left and they all seem to support Copper Top anyway
My best case would be full annexation, but acknowledging how that is IMMENSELY greedy I'd be more than satisfied with a new province (separatists) and Copper Top as queen of the new Maretonia (as she has every reason to be cooperative in the future).Personally, I don't want a Maretonian protectorate, but I understand that others do (Imperialism gotta Imperialism after all). My best case scenario would be that they remain Independent, slave-free, and on good terms with us.
How do we expect she's take a "northern Maretonia to us" (from the separatists, I imagine we'd get more of it depending on success tier of the action and maybe compensation for the lost territory), and southern to her?She personally wishes to see a fully reunified Maretonia. If she can be the one on the Throne when that happens, that would be ideal, but she doesn't want to push too far and send the country spiraling back into civil war, so she's biding her time and consolidating her power within the remnants of White Star at the moment.
there are no OPTIMAL options. THere's plenty of good ones!I'm starting to get the feeling that there are no good options here