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Kinda seems like a moot point considering we've been firebombing them.
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That was random, designed to strain enemy logistics and weaken their troops. Could be a good thing to have somebody looking out for the injured during the Fireball and Pass plans. Maybe Abolitionist volunteers?
He probably wouldn't even need to do that. Vilify the invaders and convince them that trying to flee would be worse because of the 'evil griffons' and he could get a decent amount to stay willingly.
But why would he want them stay there? Any civilian not in the fight is another mouth to feed during a siege.
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[X] Plan: Clip Their Wings v2
[X] They Shall Pass
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- Washington
Dude. THEY LITTERALLY INCINERATED SOME OF OUR SOLDIERS FOR NO REASON. And considering it is stated they decided to attack Maretonia just for the sake of attacking it, I don't think we're going to be reasoning with them.
[X] Southern Wall Siege: While an...unexpected development, this does not change the overall plan. A siege means no one is permitted to enter or exit the besieged city, and you intend to enforce that rule. Instruct the Southern Division to engage both the tattered remnants of Pegicles' relief force and the pursuing dragons, with the Eastern and Western divisions contributing some of their own forces to the fight if necessary. Once the threat has been dealt with, the siege will continue as it had before.
We are the good guys. We don't sack cities. We don't allow cities to be sacked. Given that the dragons murdered a bunch of our soldiers simply for being vaguely in the same area as their targets, if we let them through then the city will be sacked.
Yeah, it sucks that killing these bastards is going to cost a lot of Griffin blood, but sometimes that's the price you pay to be the Big Good.
Besides, doing this basically guarantees that we'll be able to dictate terms when the dust settles. Being an unquestionable moral authority is really useful. None of that "butt out of our affairs, Gryphus" nonsense; we sacrificed hundreds of lives to save civilians.
We are the good guys. We don't sack cities. We don't allow cities to be sacked. Given that the dragons murdered a bunch of our soldiers simply for being vaguely in the same area as their targets, if we let them through then the city will be sacked.
Yeah, it sucks that killing these bastards is going to cost a lot of Griffin blood, but sometimes that's the price you pay to be the Big Good.
Besides, doing this basically guarantees that we'll be able to dictate terms when the dust settles. Being an unquestionable moral authority is really useful. None of that "butt out of our affairs, Gryphus" nonsense; we sacrificed hundreds of lives to save civilians.
No, probably not, which is all the more reason why we shouldn't get involved. Never stop your enemy from making a mistake. Let them fight the Maretonians while we remain fresh. Like the description said, whoever wins, our enemies are weakened at no cost to us.
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Hypothetically, they could be potential Allies.
Hypothetically, this could all be one gigantic misunderstanding.
Hypothetically, fighting the Dragons could create an immense diplomatic catastrophe the likes of which would be comparable to WW1.
They killed our men.
They chased Pegicles' troops into an active combat zone and when presented with a complex situation literally fired upon the first troops to not get out of reach in time before continuing to chase their original targets.
The only reason why I made my own plan instead of voting for Great Balls of Fire is because I have a preference for the overall perspective of the situation to look differently, want to try to limit further damage to Mare-A-Thon, and primarily
I want to spite these Draconic assholes.
That being said, anyone voting "Southern Wall Siege", like the just joining us @SirKaid , feel free to look over Plan: Clip Their Wings v2. It seeks to achieve what you want, while giving specific instructions attempting to do more than throw our troops into a blender.
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True we are the good guys, but that is relative given we also probably caused a ton of civilian casualties during our fire bombings, one of which destroyed pretty much the whole city's food supply. it is kinda like that whole "We did it, Patrick! We saved the city!" Spongebob meme, with the city being "saved" being the civilians we already slaughtered as part of collateral damage from our operations. This is of course, not too surprising given we are society that was literally medieval about 20 years ago, so the concept of "war crimes" wouldn't even be in our volcabulary. Causing civilian deaths in military affairs is just a fact of life and probably considered "unfortunate" at worst.
I think a more prudent route would just do the bombing plan and teleport the bombs to our enemy's location, thus heavily crippling both sides or outright destroying them enough for us to attack the city without resistance and assume control. It will save us time and man power that no doubt sending our soldiers to directly battle the dragons and the relief forces remnants will undoubtedly cost, because the Southern Wall Siege will have our soldiers attack the dragons when they are still, presumably, largely uninjured and a massive threat.
[X] Plan: The Great Big Mare-a-thon Fireball
If we're lucky the dragons will think it's a desperate move by Pegiclese and continue to focus on the city. If they figure out that the bombs came from us then we finish them off with the cannons when they try to attack us.
If we're lucky the dragons will think it's a desperate move by Pegiclese and continue to focus on the city. If they figure out that the bombs came from us then we finish them off with the cannons when they try to attack us.
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As the only other write in planner for this vote (and third down the line behind "Let Them Pass"), I have to say that I absolutely agree with this read of the matter.
The focus of "Clip Their Wings" is shortly summed as "If you can't play nice then you can't play at all", while "The Great Mare-A-Thon Fireball" can be summed as "Here's some rope! Don't forget to choke yourselves on it!"
Unless the dice present a result as amazing as these past two roll sets have gone, my plan is immensely risky on the premise that it's literally dragging the Dragons down into a fight with us when they're focused on tearing up our enemies.
Meanwhile all that needs to go right for the Great Fireball is that the Dragons keep chasing the people they're chasing and aren't repelled by the defenses (which I find to be unlikely). After that it's basically just tossing dynamite into the lake until surrender.
Yeah, okay. Seems reasonable. Do I need to edit out my previous vote or does the new one overwrite it?
[X] Plan: Clip Their Wings v2
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- Germany
[X] They Shall Pass
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Where was it stated that they decided to attack just for the sake of it? And what part of letting them through invalidates the option of attacking them later if it does turn out to not have been an incident due to the fog of war?
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That one works perfectly, the Talley tracker is set to check the latest vote a person makes.
The Dragon specifically needed to swoop low to make the attack, indicating that our men were a target of opportunity rather than actually in their way of accomplishing whatever objective the Dragons have.
And while we shouldn't base our actions entirely on biases, literally every shred of Lore and IC reaction to Adult Dragons has suggested "They do what they want unless someone else is strong enough to force them not to."
Based on that, there is a majority who do not want to give the Dragons the opportunity to burn us for offering a hand in friendship, though there is a very slight disagreement on how exactly to respond to ensure it doesn't happen again this battle.
[X] Plan: The Great Big Mare-a-thon Fireball
I just dont want to give the enemy the time to Do whatever they want while we battle the dragons. This plan seems to try to get the dragons into a better position for us, and then tries to get rid of them while they are weakend.
I just dont want to give the enemy the time to Do whatever they want while we battle the dragons. This plan seems to try to get the dragons into a better position for us, and then tries to get rid of them while they are weakend.
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My question was to this statement specifically.
Do we actually know why exactly these dragons are here and why they were chasing House Storm's forces? You have said that they decided to attack just for the sake of it, but where is this shown?
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Mainly from the QM here
Their a bunch of blood knight's, they don't care who get's caught in the crossfire.
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Basically-
Yeah, that.
There's a lot of potential nuance, but the essence is that the QM has communicated that this has some amount of opportunism to it.
I'm hoping that this is an exceptionally unusual circumstance, because otherwise I will be quite cross with our Maretonian Allies for failing to mention sharing a border with Draconic Raiders.
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