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That would be an amazing idea. With the annexation of libertalia we would have a people's navel tradition immediately, and with out having to spend years building it up our selves.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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ehi, we DO have a good naval tradition! We invented Carracks, putting cannon on our ships, and we JUST invented steam-ships!
We're also constantly expanding our navy! Still pretty far from Neighpon's numbers though...
Sure, we will likely always stay behind Neighpon in terms of power-per-ship (especially once they start to use our own steam engine as well, and add their fire magic to it as to get basically unlimited range and zero need for normal fuel), but then again we can't be the best at everything, and they're trusted allies and friends anyway.
Which is why, by the way, I'd really like to focus on them next turn if the war ends. sell them the steamship concept, send Gwindlyn with the Sword Gift, maybe we could even start thinking about that Immigration campaign, maybe introduce Koryu to Celestia and/or Luna, or at least make them pen-pals (immortals got to stick together!)...
of course there's still the matter of dealing with the post-war, improve our economy, check on Canterbury and the Changelings, maybe finally check on the Minotaur's secret, starting things with Equestria, maybe give a second look at the Yeti, check south of Maretonia for dragons (that might very well be the last unknown country on our continent!), thee crystal referendum..
yeah, we still have a lot of interesting things to do
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merchant ones, really. We need the money, and airships trading with oversea country and Equestria would be nice.
Once our treasury has recovered though a few military airships could certainly help in scouting the yeti though. And if the war is not over this turn a few military airships could certainly speed up its end, maybe even reduce logistic costs
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Caribous are our foothold in the new continent. I'd rather finish exploring ours before exploring more of that one, but we could certainly get something interesting out of contacting Zebras and Abyssinian. The first one have alchemy and ritual magic, the second... I don't know, but I think they had some interesting magical artifacts in the movie-related comic, so maybe they have some kind of artifice based magic? Or maybe something about stealth or hunting, they're cats after all
Also yeah, Libertalia can be useful even as an independent but allied nation
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I don't know, ask Napoleon Bonaparte or Alexander the Great. A conqueror doesn't have to justify things to the conquered. Maybe to other countries, but considering that Maretonia was a slaver country and that Maretonia is destroyed right now, most countries won't care.
Also, I doubt that Empire+Maretonia= More Land than China/Rusia, so will it might be hard, is not impossible.
Some important things to consider is that while the island theoretically could defend itself its worth noting that they don't have cannons or any real defence against aerial assault and if Neighpon got involved they'd be screwed
Plus as far as Libertalia being an independent nation is concerned keep in mind they've only just become a semi-organised group with a legitimate source of income, their economy is extremely closely tied with our own, the most influential member of their new government really likes us and if everything goes to plan we'll control the entire east coast of the continent soon and being able to trade with us more easily will be very beneficial for them
I agree that we should reach out to Neighpon some more next turn but I also think we should reach out to the Emerald Dogs both for political reasons and for the extra income
They'd definitely be useful as an ally but they'd be far more useful as members of the Empire
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We're neither of those, and I'm pretty sure most of the conquered hated these conquerors. We're trying to keep a good reputation here!
I'll also remind you that Napoleon didn't die a very happy man.
Also while I have no idea how big we are compared to those, They're not really a good comparison. Half of Russia or even more of it is, as far as I know not really good land to inhabit, and just how many times did China split, then fuse together, than split again?
these are all good points, except for Neighpon. at least in the short to medium term I really much doubt Libertalia need to fear an attack from them after all.
Still, one thing at a time. We need to deal with Maretonia, after that I expect we'll go through the crystal referendum. Adding Libertalia as well could be feasible there maybe, though I think we'll need to take a few diplo actions with Neighpon to keep them happy and not worried about our expansions. The yaks should be fine with it and they trust us anyway (8.5/10 after all), Equestria is far enough to not matter yet, and Canterbury... yeah, I could see Canterbury worrying, but then again we already have other reasons to worry about them. We'll need to keep them calm though.
We wouldn't want Phalanx to worry about an expansionist Empire...though, to be fair, after eating Libertalia, Crystal Protectorate and having to devolve some effort to rebuild Maretonia as well we REALLY wouldn't have the resources NOR the interest in also going for them.
At least we can confidently say that we never attacked without a valid justification, and have always been generous with our allies and friends.
I'm certainly interested in their trade action (and our dogs are probably curious about them anyway) as we need more income, but in terms of politics I'd honestly be fine leaving them mostly to Neighpon.
Equestria can offer their main export (gems, and magically grown ones at that!) as well after all, though I suppose there might be some difference between natural and magically grown gems.
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Yea, i don't want really Neighpon to think that we are limiting their own tries at expansion, especially after we fully annex crystal protectorate , they still have that leased coastal city that we will need discuss really since i feel that just like us with protectorate they are probably planing to annex that as well and might be encouraged by our actions in protectorate.
Personally I'm open to creative solutions in that case, if the city is willing to stay in Neighpon (given they are governing it and are forging both cultural and economic ties that is probably the case ) then they can keep it and we can arrange for open border so they are still connected to their brethrens in the empire/former crystal protectorate.
On diamond dog Kingdom , once again i view it as Neighponese sphere and really while we do have diamond dog population ourselves i don't see much of a political reason to interfere with Emerald dogs more than necessary as our own dogs are pretty much integrated in our society and belong to different culture/civilization , so yea not much political reasons in there.
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I think we gave them a military base for their navy actually, not an actual civilian city.
I'd honestly be willing to sell them some coastal land though, at least enough for a city and enough farming to sustain it. It's just that I'm not sure the ponies would be fine with it. It was their land after all, it could prove to be an unpopular decision
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Heh, Alexander the Great was beloved in general. Leaving that aside, after some time and with good politics, it's possible to erase the line between Conquerors and Conquered, the Empire has previous cases of being very welcoming to new subjects, so that plays in our favor too.
My point was that if we wanted to conquer them and annex Maretonia, we would really don't need a reason for anyone in general. Most of the population are former slaves, and nobles...well half the nobles are dead and the other half know that to maintain their positions they have to shout their mouth and accept. Do some good public relationships and all will be good, like with the Protectorate, for example, remember that we have retractors? After some good actions, the rest of the population just started to ignore them.
Fair, but Ghenghis Khan, Peter I, Alexander the Great, and Atilla, in general, did.
The Empire+Maretonia= Probably the total USA territory, the #5 largest country of the world. So I still no see the problem
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Oh I don't think Neighpon would actually go after them but it's more indicative that there are other sea faring nations that could pose a threat to them
Oh yeah there's no need to rush it, though considering it would almost certainly be a more political choice endeavour we could probably do some of it on the side while working on improving Maretonia
I imagine if we take the Gwyndlyn action and give Koryu the sword we'd be good, especially with all the tech we've shared with them
Plus with the monster purges going on they're probably fairly distracted themselves
Oh I don't think we should try and establish control over them but there's no reason we can't establish some ties with them
IIRC it's been said before that the Empire is about the size of France so the Protectorate is probably about the size of Germany, I don't think adding Maretonia to that is quite US big
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Hmmm, maybe down the line we could achieve some sort a deal in which we keep formal sovereignty over the territory but leave it to be administered by Neighponese . It will probably appease both sides, it leaves Neighpon with more land and we get free trade zone between us and them, plus Neighpon in charge of developing that land/city to be , all things that would keep ponies happy as well as they can profit from free trade zone with Neighpon being in their lands.
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Omake: Who's the Monster?
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Omake: Who's the Monster? @Questor
The gryphons were monsters. At least that was what she had thought when they were first revealed. They weren't ponies, so were clearly lesser. They were violent and fierce. Barbarians that were beautifully exotic, but nothing else. When the news that an entire country of these bloodthirsty creatures had been discovered and threatening them with war it only confirmed her opinion of them. Why would they be so willing to attack Maretonia if they were not monsters?
Mistral Flower didn't pay a lot of attention to politics. She knew her place. She would marry a wealthy noble and live in comfort for the rest of her life. Her father had at times despaired of her, but Mistral was very good at her lessons on being a young lady, and her father figured that he would get a good marriage from her. So Mistral was for the most part oblivious of the intrigue in the courts. She knew it happened of course, but it was much less important than gossiping about cute stallions and the latest fashion. She was always at her most beautiful.
Her friend complained that they had been forced to give the gryphon back that they had paid so much money for, and the gryphons still weren't happy. Mistral comforted her about it. It wasn't like the gryphons really understood. They weren't smart enough to understand their place. Tensions racketed higher, and Mistral found that she was no longer allowed to travel without guards, and asked to keep close to home. It was hard, and dull, and she missed the parties she was used to.
Then the queen died.
Mistral couldn't believe it. She knew no one liked the queen. She had always been kinda useless and annoying, and never actually did what people needed. But the queen had been someone who had seemed eternal to Mistral. Her death was a sharp shock to the noble unicorn. Things got even worse then.
Her life fell apart over the course of a single year. It wasn't even the gryphons that had done it, with all their threats of violence and barbarianism. It wasn't even a stupid earth pony. It had been another unicorn that had destroyed her home in the war. She was supposed to be with her family, but somehow she'd gotten lost. Without her family, no one recognized her as a noble. The few times she was they tried to take her as a hostage or kill her.
Mistral found herself miserably sheltering with slaves. They said they weren't slaves anymore. They weren't very nice. They gave her food though, and told her that there was help in the Crystal Empire. It was hard, but she found her way there. She was finally safe, and okay. She was dirty, and she certainly wasn't the beautiful unicorn she had been. But she was going to be okay. And she could still maybe find a stallion to marry.
She was surprised when she found out that all the help they were getting from the gryphons. They were supposed to be bloodthirsty. Instead they had set up help for those in Maretonia that had lost everything as they tore themselves apart. Mistral cried. She hadn't known they were like this. They were supposed to be monsters. So why were they the ones that had saved her?
The gryphons were monsters. At least that was what she had thought when they were first revealed. They weren't ponies, so were clearly lesser. They were violent and fierce. Barbarians that were beautifully exotic, but nothing else. When the news that an entire country of these bloodthirsty creatures had been discovered and threatening them with war it only confirmed her opinion of them. Why would they be so willing to attack Maretonia if they were not monsters?
Mistral Flower didn't pay a lot of attention to politics. She knew her place. She would marry a wealthy noble and live in comfort for the rest of her life. Her father had at times despaired of her, but Mistral was very good at her lessons on being a young lady, and her father figured that he would get a good marriage from her. So Mistral was for the most part oblivious of the intrigue in the courts. She knew it happened of course, but it was much less important than gossiping about cute stallions and the latest fashion. She was always at her most beautiful.
Her friend complained that they had been forced to give the gryphon back that they had paid so much money for, and the gryphons still weren't happy. Mistral comforted her about it. It wasn't like the gryphons really understood. They weren't smart enough to understand their place. Tensions racketed higher, and Mistral found that she was no longer allowed to travel without guards, and asked to keep close to home. It was hard, and dull, and she missed the parties she was used to.
Then the queen died.
Mistral couldn't believe it. She knew no one liked the queen. She had always been kinda useless and annoying, and never actually did what people needed. But the queen had been someone who had seemed eternal to Mistral. Her death was a sharp shock to the noble unicorn. Things got even worse then.
Her life fell apart over the course of a single year. It wasn't even the gryphons that had done it, with all their threats of violence and barbarianism. It wasn't even a stupid earth pony. It had been another unicorn that had destroyed her home in the war. She was supposed to be with her family, but somehow she'd gotten lost. Without her family, no one recognized her as a noble. The few times she was they tried to take her as a hostage or kill her.
Mistral found herself miserably sheltering with slaves. They said they weren't slaves anymore. They weren't very nice. They gave her food though, and told her that there was help in the Crystal Empire. It was hard, but she found her way there. She was finally safe, and okay. She was dirty, and she certainly wasn't the beautiful unicorn she had been. But she was going to be okay. And she could still maybe find a stallion to marry.
She was surprised when she found out that all the help they were getting from the gryphons. They were supposed to be bloodthirsty. Instead they had set up help for those in Maretonia that had lost everything as they tore themselves apart. Mistral cried. She hadn't known they were like this. They were supposed to be monsters. So why were they the ones that had saved her?
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How Big Is Texas, Compared With Other Land Masses?
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oh, I agree that we don't really need a reason.
Having one will certainly make foreign polities feel more at ease when dealing with us though.
fair enough.
It might be simpler to go with a free immigration/emigration/trade/movement deal, kind of like the European Union.
We're on a pretty small continent then. Is the world actually smaller than Earth, or are we in the mlp equivalent of Europe?
This image is tricky, but I found this, that put things in perspective...quite literally.
How Big Is Texas, Compared With Other Land Masses?
The fun-to-say MAPfrappe app lets you cut out Texas and paste it elsewhere.
Well, I suppose in the long term either a full unification of the continent under our empire, or at the very least a much more integrated supranational organization like the European Union (but hopefully better) is pretty likely, and possibly even needed depending on what's going to be the situation on the other continents.
Right now, the big factions in our continents:
1)Us.
2)Maretonia. long term it could possibly become part of us.
3)Yaks
4)Yeti. long term anything could happen. If the Yeti prove unreasonable I suppose conquest from either Equestria, Yakyakistan or both is possible
5)Equestria
6)Canterbury. Long term something will have to change with the Changeling reveal. That could lead to a new independent government, or it could lead to us actually getting them too.
long term the truly important ones are likely to be us, Equestria and yaks I think.
Neighpon is obviously THE power on the sea, with a few other minor polities (diamond dogs, Minotaurs, Libertalia) around.
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We probably have the numbers to match them but they obviously have way more experience than us. Same with the Vikings. The only thing our navy has do was to give "Or Else..." to the pirates. Luckily, the only one that could defeat us in the sea are Neighpon, because you know, canons.
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yeah, Neighpon has a BIG advantage on us on the sea. Or at least it had one before. they had more than a hundred ships, we have...
20 Cogs (Bolt-Throwers)
34 Carracks (Cannons)
now, to be fair Neighpon would ALSO have to adapt their navy to the canNons (two "N"! Why does everyone make that mistake?!
), but they also depend on their navies much more than us, so they probably took some kind of "adapt ships" actions like we NEVER did
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Does Neighpon have any troops that can fly yet though? Air power is really important in naval battles. Honestly House Storm is probably the biggest danger to anyone on the open sea, we're just lucky that Maretonia collapsed.yeah, Neighpon has a BIG advantage on us on the sea. Or at least it had one before. they had more than a hundred ships, we have...
20 Cogs (Bolt-Throwers)
34 Carracks (Cannons)
now, to be fair Neighpon would ALSO have to adapt their navy to the canNons (two "N"! Why does everyone make that mistake?!
I would say that Neighpon has the advantage in numbers, but anyone with a decent amount of pegasi (or potentially griffins) has an advantage too. At least until technology improves enough for Neighpon to also have an air force. Aerial units can scout, drop bombs, and control weather (if pegasi). And Libertalia may or may not have a decent amount of pegasi.
Regardless, Libertalia doesn't really need to be particularly powerful. It just needs to have strong ties to us or Neighpon. They can do that without becoming a protectorate. They may want to anyway for trade purposes, but it shouldn't have much to do with not having a strong military.
Maybe? Though fire is nothing too scoff at, since Greek fire IRL gave the Byzantines a very solid leg up, and would at least until metal ships became common...
Depending on who else we discover on our continent I can definitely see an EU type organisation forming, especially with the good relationships we have with all of our neighbours
At the very least I can see an Empire/Neighpon union happening at some point down the line
LET ME MANIFEST MY DESTINY GODDAMNIT!!
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well, they might not have flying units (yet. They're likely the first we'd trade airships with I guess, unless the Yaks show themselves surprisingly interested in the concept), but they DO have both fire and illusion magics. These would help quite a lot.
Come on, don't be greedy, leave some conquest for the other nations!
I am! Neighpon can have the Emerald Isle and I'm sure everyone else will find other destiny to manifest! But the Yeti's orichalcum! And snowy mountains like the ones we live on top of! And an evil overlord that needs to be defeated! That very much sets a precedent that we get first dibs!Come on, don't be greedy, leave some conquest for the other nations!
I fail to see how us trading with the Emerald diamond dogs would give that impression.