The more heated this gets the more we will get the moderator here because it's disturbing the peace.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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As long as everything remains civil it's fine to have heated discussions.
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You're free to hate it, I personally don't like them that much (though I sort of hope we could harness the power of faith to actually ascend if we end up developing the cult enough) but the way you argue against it works against you because you try to paint them as maniacs, and we have word of god they're not.
If you use blatantly false arguements don't be surprised if you fail to convince anyone.
that's just rude. please avoid doing this.
I think you're being irrational, for a very simple reason: we have word of god that they're NOT like you fear they are.
To become the kind of cult you fear and dislike they'd need a ruler/emperor willing to accept them going in that direction. As WE control the emperor, that's unlikely to ever happen unless, say, we end up playing a civil war with one or more of our descendents going blatantly evil. Not impossible, certainly not something that will happen until at the very least the generation after Gawain, if at all, which means it's at the very least safe for a few decades.
Now, you're completely free to argue against them, and to not like them, and to never vote them. I personally dislike the gryphon pantheon as it's, in my opinion, the most likely to basically be a "false" religion (as in, these gods might very well not exist, while we KNOW spirits exists, the Crystal Heart DEFINITELY exists and has unknown powers that could very well be developed through the power of faith, possibly ending in the heart becoming alive/sapient or giving it the ability of empowering our rulers, and Alicorn Ascension leads me to believe there's a chance of something similar for our emperor/emperors through the power of faith as well...), but the WAY you argue against them is doing more bad than good to your cause.
Even if they went evil that wouldn't validate your argument unless they went evil for the reason you offered... and you, again, didn't offer convincing ones, mostly because there aren't. Because Word of God, they're not like that, and you can't blame a possible future evil version of them on the present ones.
I'll admit the cult is not as bad as I initially thought. If they are just venerating the emperor as an example to follow then I suppose that's harmless enough.
Crafter of War
The Dorf
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Quick question about the imperial cult, do they worship the imperial family or just Garrick? How does the adopted members of the family get taken into account? What's going to happen when a succession crisis occurs? What will happen when someone they don't approve of becomes the emperor? Or will they just approve of anyone that becomes emperor? I'll probably come up with more questions over time.
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Regarding the Pantheon, there is quite good possibility of them being Alicorn version of Gryphus kind in time of old that got worshiped through the ages if our ancesion theory is correct.
In that theory there is good possibility that if we research the Pantheon options that mostly lead to the ruins of Empire of old we actually stumble upon the secret of ascension, or some item like crystal heart, or elements of harmony. Not speaking about our old Gods being trapped by discord in the rock , or something.
The logical path for them to take would likely be to take a book detailing what Gawain ever did as Emperor and the times he's shared his opinions and then start cross-checking the new Emperor for similarities.
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They certainly worship entire family, adopted one as well probably . As for the next Emperor figure, well it could go either way as they are just in phase of Garrick worship so it's something that needs to be addressed after he dies.
Though i suppose they will most likely go with what Garrick would have done and go European divine right where monarch has right to rule uncoditionaly and Chinese mandate of Haven where if monarch/dinasty is corrupted he is to be overthrown . Basically if Emperor is unjust and doesn't follow Garrick ideals he is to be replaced with other members of Imperial family.
It goes well with whole Imperial family veneration thing while not straying from Garricks ideals.
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oh, these are all possible. I considered the "gods were sealed by Discord" option, though I didn't think about the "past ascended" possibility. They could also just be heroes from the past, a bit like the Pillars of Harmony or the paragons of dwarves in Dragon Age, or like the Chinese Guan Yu, basically elevated to god status long before his death.
I disliked it more in the beginning really. Now it's just my least favourite, though I'm not really strongly against it.
By the way we kinda need to focus a bit more on Neighpon in the coming turns. We're now closer to the Yaks than to them!
We certainly don't like for possible ways to raise Neighpon relationship either, between the sword gift, Gwindlyn visit, the steam engine for ships (possibly the airships too at some point, though fire and hydrogen... don't really mix well together I think) and their piety action.
another thing to notice:
We blew through a lot of our cash, so next turn our max budget is going to be slightly less than 19,000.
Specifically, 18,774.
That's not too bad, really.
At least if we finish the war in just one turn. If the war continues... well, war action took 6,000 by itself, and I don't see why it should become cheaper next turn, so that would leave us with at most 12,774 for everything else, which is admittedly a bit low.
Still manageable, but it would start to limit our freedom of choice somewhat. And of course even if the war over we're likely to need to take expensive actions like Maretonia rebuilding funding.
as said before, the coming turn will likely have a lot of income-boosting actions taken if at all possible.
Something to consider about the Pantheon is that they're arguably the most likely to incite nationalism/griffon superiority due to them being a symbol of ancient Griffons before Garrick became Emperor
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eh, not anymore than any of the other religions is likely to cause their original race to do the same. It's a pretty small risk all things considered
Oh definitely, I just mean that if any of them were going to do that it would be pantheon worship
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maybe if it was the only religion I could see it happen. With us officially endorsing freedom of worship though that's pretty unlikely. It helps that none of the known religions really contradict each other, at least until now.
force200
Megaspell Technician
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Just gonna thow this little gem out there...
What is the preferred outcome with the Mauretanian Campaign? The destruction of hostile governments, or to protect and vassalize regions that have historically been friendly?
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Honestly after everything the minimum we should get is protectorate status over maretonia
Officially? To stop the dangerous monster that is Pegicles, protect the people of Maretonia and help them rebuild with our guidance, technology and expertise
Honestly? Kill Pegicles and turn Maretonia into a protectorate with the goal of integrating them at some point down the line
Considering our nation's history so far there's not much risk of that. We've been multicultural and multiracial from the beginning. Keep in mind that the diamond dogs were allowed to join and form their own subculture near the start of the game and we've followed that tradition with the crystal ponies, yaks and the quilin. It's far more likely that ancient gryphon culture would be seen as yet another culture for us to add to the mix.
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Red_Faux
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I wonder if the princesses govern celestial objects and the very concepts of night and day yet. I'd imagine not unless that's been a thing from the start and I just missed it. Is that part of their very being or something they did? Haven't actually read more than a few individual comics so I'm a bit blind in obscure lore.
It will be interesting having them before they become in every aspect that practically matters, living gods. Powerful as shit immortal Alicorn sorcerers, but nothing compared to their several milliena old future selves. I'd imagine magic gets a bit of an extra kick after a few ages.
It will be interesting having them before they become in every aspect that practically matters, living gods. Powerful as shit immortal Alicorn sorcerers, but nothing compared to their several milliena old future selves. I'd imagine magic gets a bit of an extra kick after a few ages.
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in basically any version, comic or show or fanon, it's at the very least heavily implied that they first raised the sun/moon when they got their cutie marks, so yes, they've been doing it at least since Discord's defeat (turn 0), and they probably did it for some time before Discord's arrival.
During the chaos age itself Discord probably played with sun and moon as he played with everything else though.
And, on that note, We REALLY want them to create a plan b in case they're indisposed and can't move their celestial objects. Certainly it wouldn't be that complicated to organize a group of unicorns to move the celestial orbs in case of emergency, or even if they simply wanted to take a day off.
Actually, Christianity was more used as a way to avoid any of them taking advantage of their neighbors being away, for the biggest motivating factor for a number of them you'll want to look into the Arab Slave Trade.
So I know we're preoccupied with the Maretonia situation right now but something we should probably consider is can we just straight up annex Libertalia or do we need to make it a protectorate first as well?
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I don't think we're going to actually annex it. We might offer protectorate status in the future, but I don't even think they need it. They can support a decent enough navy to defend themselves, They don't really need a big army, and I suppose there can be some benefit in using them as intermediaries when we don't want to act directly.
If we wanted to annex them we should have done it when they were poor and weak AND a pirate island. Doing it now would likely not look that bad, not unless we somehow worked things so that it was THEM to ask US.
Which, admittedly, we could do through Hoofbeard...
ok, let's put this idea in the "maybe, look at it after civil war is over" pile