- Location
- USA
Same as me calling out retreating now is a horrible risk as well when we can potentially end this now instead of dragging civilians into it.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
- Thread starter Questor
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- Back in Cali
True except those civilians are part of our militia and have been preparing the city just for this fight the entire time. You saw how devastating rapid defenses and traps were. The defenses of a City with both more resources and time will be an even greater bonus. It will also minimize the death of our own troops most of whom are a civilian militia that are needed to support our economy.
- Location
- USA
Thats assuming the walls hold should those horrors breach the walls it can turn into a blood bath rather quickly. Also we assume he will fall for our traps again hes seen it now and will unless he is absolutely shit at tactics not fall for them so easily next time.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
[X] Blow the Charges and Run!
- Location
- Italy
My problem is with the underlined words.
I can't and won't deny that, if the avalanche works, this battle, maybe even the war, will be won.
BUT if it doesn't, we're fucked. we have lost just a bit less than a third of our army, we have no more traps or tricks, our troops are tired and our range weaponry is short on ammunitions. The avalanche is an all-or-nothing bet.
We have achieved an undeniable success up to now.
faced with a 2 to 1 disadvantadge we lost less than a third (about 30% i think) of our army in exchange for 85% of his! about 15.000 of ours for 85.000 of his! nearly 6 kills for every death!
BUT! But we are now out of tricks (except one), And Sombra has kept his stronger cards for the end. The first 10-15.000 were sent to die on our traps. the next 70.000 were sent to tire us. We lost much less than he could have expected, but from his point of view the situation is promising.
All he has to do is to deal with the remaining, exhausted soldiers.
We have the knights. 3300 soldiers, our best, fresh and ready. We have the avalanche. we have the very last of our ammunition (i assume we'll have maluses on our artillery rolls).
If the Avalanche fails, it might end with the death of our army. Sombra will probably need to go back anyway cause of all the losses, or at the very least slow down. He certainly won't have enough soldiers to conquer our empire. But we'll probably be dead, or incredibly weakened.
If instead we retreat, Sombra will (i believe) be furious. His preys defied him, killed his slaves, and then escaped? How dare they!
He'll follow us out of rage or because he believes we're scared of him.
And then he'll reach the fortified city.
We'll have days to rest and restock. and once he arrives we can, depending on what he does, attack him immediately or wait for the right moment.
He'll try to siege a city with an army of 35.000 with his army of 15.000. This time He'll be at a disadvantage. And we'll be rested and ready
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- Location
- Italy
we can even face him on open field outside the city if we feel we must. The bonus from the rested troops and restocked ammo would still be worth the retreat. Or we can try hit and run attacks, trying to bate him closer to the walls and our artillery's range.
I'll easily admit the traps won't likely be as effective, but i don't think he'll be able to completely deny them.
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- Back in Cali
And how is staying here and facing him when he is stronger not going to devolve into a blood bath as well? Also, the traps don't need to stop him they can funnel his forces to where we want them and use our replenished heavy and special weapons to kill larger amounts of his forces. All we have right now is a quickly built palisade a stone wall is better. You want to leave a defensive position to attack a stronger force head-on with forces that have been exhausted. We will probably win but we will lose most of our troops. Sombra needs to take the city to advance or else he will be hit from behind or if he splits his army it will be destroyed in detail.
- Location
- USA
Thats great and all but same problem as you have with mine its no guarantee and it can still end with us all dead you people need to realize just because were now behind a wall isnt a guaranteed win. He could very well just snow and starve us out. And whose to say he gives into his anger instead of remaining rational you dont know how he will react to the retreat.
There is such a thing as a Phyrric Victory - and with our rate of technological advancement we can out-tech Sombra before he can outbreed us. Considering his losses, he cannot win anymore - but we can still lose if we have too many casulties and it begins affecting Morale (or, in the case of Yak casulties, Diplomacy) - so our best bet is to move to an even better fortified position instead of losing our very expensive (in Time, Resources and Morale) knights in a slugfest they would lose numerically even after the avalance. Plus we do not yet have a means to reliably kill Sombra (maybe Hydrogen Bombs) and thus the war will drag on either way.
And if we force a retreat we also probably will get a summer again because even Sombra only has a limited radius (or he would have stayed at home and just sent his army)!
- Location
- Back in Cali
You know we don't have to stay inside the city right? If he is out there waiting we can attack him with fresh troops and restocked munitions. If he wants to try and attack the rest of the Empire he has to come to the city. The wall is not a guaranteed win but it is definitely a greater advantage. Anger or rational to keep pushing he has to attack the city that has prepared for a siege that means food, fuel, medicine, and everything else needed. If you do do the long siege than more troops can be raised in the rest of the Empire and sent to reinforce us.
- Location
- Italy
Finally had the time to count our casualties
What we lost from the start of the battle
Imperial Army of Gryphus
2.435 out of 10.000 Warriors
2.770 out of 5.000 Polearms
0 out of 5.000 Archers
260 out of 1.000 Diamond Dogs
0 out of 5 Mobile Ballistae
0 out of 4 Cannons
0 out of 2 Flame Projectors
0 out of 3.373 knights (all ranks)
Mercenaries
The War Wolves
185 out of 500 Diamond Dogs
The Wood Stalkers
105 of 200 Warriors, 0 out of 300 Archers
The Black Pikes
280 out of 500 Pikes
The Crimson Company
365 out of 500 Gryphon Berserkers
The Troll Busters
0 out of 4 Static Flamethrowers
Auxiliaries/Allies
4.885 out of 15.000 Imperial Militia
1.790 out of 10.000 Yak Chargers
tot: 13.075 out of 51.375 (48.000 if we don't count the knights. Also not counting the artillery)
27,23% or 25,45% (not counting the knights)
Of these, about 1% was lost in the first part. let me search the old post...
What we lost from the start of the battle
Imperial Army of Gryphus
2.435 out of 10.000 Warriors
2.770 out of 5.000 Polearms
0 out of 5.000 Archers
260 out of 1.000 Diamond Dogs
0 out of 5 Mobile Ballistae
0 out of 4 Cannons
0 out of 2 Flame Projectors
0 out of 3.373 knights (all ranks)
Mercenaries
The War Wolves
185 out of 500 Diamond Dogs
The Wood Stalkers
105 of 200 Warriors, 0 out of 300 Archers
The Black Pikes
280 out of 500 Pikes
The Crimson Company
365 out of 500 Gryphon Berserkers
The Troll Busters
0 out of 4 Static Flamethrowers
Auxiliaries/Allies
4.885 out of 15.000 Imperial Militia
1.790 out of 10.000 Yak Chargers
tot: 13.075 out of 51.375 (48.000 if we don't count the knights. Also not counting the artillery)
27,23% or 25,45% (not counting the knights)
Of these, about 1% was lost in the first part. let me search the old post...
- Location
- USA
I seriously doubt well ever have that kind of bomb tech.
- Location
- Back in Cali
Yeah don't think we will get that kind of weapon. We are pushing for magi-tech still right?
oh ye of little faith.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Blow the Charges and Run!
- Location
- Italy
maaaaybe if we start advancing more years per turn. In a couple of centuries or so.oh ye of little faith.
Assuming we don't make something better/different.
- Location
- Back in Cali
Why waste time on a bomb when we can build floating tanks with energy weapons powered by magical energies?oh ye of little faith.
- Location
- Italy
by the way i find it a bit funny that, if i remember it right, last turn i was discussing AGAINST Adventwolf and on Raptor580's side, and now it's the opposite.
I do have to admit staying was the right idea before, and i was wrong in wanting to retreat that soon (if only after a few more kills)
25% for 85% of an army twice our size is an incredible success, no matter how you try to spin it.
I do have to admit staying was the right idea before, and i was wrong in wanting to retreat that soon (if only after a few more kills)
25% for 85% of an army twice our size is an incredible success, no matter how you try to spin it.
- Location
- USA
Thats the beauty of SV everyone has differing opinions on just about everything. one time you side with someone the next vote your against him. All in the name of fun and in this case murder.:lol
- Location
- Hell
People also seemed to be ignorant of exactly how expensive it is to siege a city, both in
Not only will we have much better logistics than Sombra, but he is on a clock.
He is the lynchpin of his entire empire, which means that he is needed for everything, including keeping his own lands in check and protected.
So not only would he have to pass through the avalance, he is going to have to siege a fortified position, with fresh troops, and somehow supply his army miles away from his own territory(which we will be able to disrupt), and be able to be back in time to ensure everything is running.
Also as a sidenote, sending corpses over is going to be tough in a storm and the cold assists in ensuring that disease spreads slower. We can just toss them back after all
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- Back in Cali
No last turn I was more or less on your side. At first, I was wanting to withdraw immediately but like you said that would have been a mistake. Then I backed your plan to drop the mountain on them to buy time and kill a large number of troops. Now we need to pull back we have used up too much of our assets and need to rest and regroup.
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- Back in Cali
What you mean? vote wise? still within a vote or two I think.