Well, here is a tally for you.
At least clean it up...
Adhoc vote count started by Sivantic on Feb 15, 2019 at 9:53 PM, finished with 273 posts and 94 votes.
 
You know for the people thinking that retreating in the city is useful, well while we have advantages of defense it also means that we are not using the avalanche and will be fighting them in full numbers.

Add to that that we are allowing them to regroup and plan how to take the city.

In other hand if we use the avalanche we have the element of suprise on our side and are killing a good number of them.
blowing the charges is the avalanche. We'd have the effects of the avalanche either way. So that's just not the case. We'd be fighting his units after the avalanche with fresh forces, full ammo, behind major defensive walls. The issue is just that Sombra will have the chance to retreat at that point, and build up again, or come after us with some kind of major ritual, or who knows what. Its a gamble either way.
 
If you worry about necromancy it's VERY unlikely, as it's not an ability Sombra ever displayed (and it doesn't really fit with his shadow/crystal/mind control abilities)

If it's a matter of honor, we can come back later. The living matter more than the dead, and the cold will preserve the bodies

Wasn't talking about Necromancy, just using the avalanche to fuck up Sombras army, I would vote for to run if we waited to set it off on them and than run.
 
So how close is the vote now? I'm kind of scared to call it, I'm afraid that once I do there will be a bunch of people suddenly showing up to add their votes. That and I'm not exactly comfortable calling a vote when there's only a one person difference.

It is a tricky situation. It can be annoying when a random user that did not even read the update among dozens of voters can make a quest altering decision at the last second but I suggest a strict deadline. If there is a tie, it is up to you to handle it. You could flip a coin, do a second vote, punish the audience by having the player character act indecisive, or something else. I do dislike next casted vote wins tie breakers but it is on you.
 
Wasn't talking about Necromancy, just using the avalanche to fuck up Sombras army, I would vote for to run if we waited to set it off on them and than run.

That risks us not being able to retreat or losing our heavy and special equipment. By fighting at the city we can have our troops that outnumber Sombra's by more than 2 to 1 fully rested and ready. With the defences and defenders of the city join us.
 
So how close is the vote now? I'm kind of scared to call it, I'm afraid that once I do there will be a bunch of people suddenly showing up to add their votes. That and I'm not exactly comfortable calling a vote when there's only a one person difference.
To be fair this is the most votes I think we've ever had. I'd say give it like a couple more hours since I think we're not gonna get many more votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Feb 16, 2019 at 9:25 AM, finished with 317 posts and 103 votes.
 
It is a tricky situation. It can be annoying when a random user that did not even read the update among dozens of voters can make a quest altering decision at the last second but I suggest a strict deadline. If there is a tie, it is up to you to handle it. You could flip a coin, do a second vote, punish the audience by having the player character act indecisive, or something else. I do dislike next casted vote wins tie breakers but it is on you.
Punishing players for acting indecisive is the worst route. If it were a single player in a dnd game, sure, go ahead, but were playing a collective, theres bound to be indecisiveness, especially for nigh game ending decisions like this.
 
So how close is the vote now? I'm kind of scared to call it, I'm afraid that once I do there will be a bunch of people suddenly showing up to add their votes. That and I'm not exactly comfortable calling a vote when there's only a one person difference.
Give us a full 24-ish hours, through closing vote sometime tomorrow evening. By then a solid conclusion should be available, and give a chance for most to vote.
 
Punishing players for acting indecisive is the worst route. If it were a single player in a dnd game, sure, go ahead, but were playing a collective, theres bound to be indecisiveness, especially for nigh game ending decisions like this.
Yeah! I've read the update at least 3 times and I still haven't voted. This is a really hard choice! especially with the thread offering so many good arguments.
 
@Questor If the voting period is set for 24 hours you should also put in a no voting period so we can just discuss the options instead of sometimes panic voting or just quick votes without thought. preferably the standard 12 hours.
 
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[X] Blow the Charges and Bury Them!
If Sombra has some magic ability to stop the avalanche, then we'll get run down when we try to retreat. I don't think we have a real choice other than to hold.
 
[X] Blow the Charges and Bury Them!
If Sombra has some magic ability to stop the avalanche, then we'll get run down when we try to retreat. I don't think we have a real choice other than to hold.
If he does, then we zero advantage over him and should not fight him at all.

Our numeric advantage is tired and short on supplies, and those cancel out.

Avalanche is used in both plans, to either decimate or hinder. If you want to push it as meaningless in one, you have to accept that it is useless in the other.

The difference is that causing an avalanche to attack means they are right next to us, while using it to retreat means using it now, while we still have time. That means the time we find out if he can do that or not is different and I rather have some distance and time to find out.
 
[x] Blow the Charges and Run!

Okay after way too long waiting I think I'm just going to vote for this.
Adhoc vote count started by masterofmadness on Feb 16, 2019 at 1:52 AM, finished with 287 posts and 97 votes.
 
blowing the charges is the avalanche. We'd have the effects of the avalanche either way. So that's just not the case. We'd be fighting his units after the avalanche with fresh forces, full ammo, behind major defensive walls. The issue is just that Sombra will have the chance to retreat at that point, and build up again, or come after us with some kind of major ritual, or who knows what. Its a gamble either way.
Questor said that we wouldn't. We wouldn't wait his troops for the right time to strike , we would just caused the avalanche and go leaving most if not all of his troops undamaged.
 
[x] Blow the Charges and Run!

If we roll poorly on crushing them with the avalanche then our knights will up against 5-1 odds, I'd rather not leave it to chance. Also, just sayin, treating our volunteer militia and Yak auxilliaries as sacrificeable cannon fodder is a good way of getting guillotined post-war.
 
Finally understood how to group the votes!

I don't think it's very likely to change at this point, but i thought the same when bury them had the lead so...
Adhoc vote count started by Pittauro on Feb 16, 2019 at 6:40 AM, finished with 293 posts and 100 votes.
 
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@LuckyShadowWolf you're the only one who hasn't voted for one of the two main options. If you want your vote to matter you should probably decide between them. Your vote is closer to run than bury them, unless you changed your mind.

I mean, my favourite option is winning so feel free to not change, but just so you know... :p

(by the way your vote was not a bad idea but to be fair setting traps would slow us, so it's probably riskier than simply running back to the city)

Also, i think we have an even 100 votes! Not bad for a quest less than 2 months old!
 
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