Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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Good point, but based on how powerful concepts like love and harmony are faith is likely to be as strong as them. Heck, Harmony and the love powers could be based on the same system as faith.
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I agree and disagree with this. I mean some things seem to have been broken down to a scientific theory when it comes to magic but some things seem more ritualistic and faith base then a science. I mean the whole thing of twilight becoming an alicorn was pretty much a ritual, the part were cadence and shinning repealed the entire changeling invasion simply with the love they had for each other also felt more of a faith thing then anything, and all the bullshit that had to be down when twilight was fighting Tirek just to open the chest...
you know thinking about it I'm wondering if instead of believing in a god or magic theory if piety should be a firm belief in a idea like friendship, love, honor, or something along those lines. Not sure what the griffions would believe in but it's a thought.
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For ponies, friendship is magic
For Griffins, Honor is magic
For Griffins, Honor is magic
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The part about pony love and rituals is that their so connected go magic that it makes sense for them to be like that. Griffins on the other hand are very disconnected from magic so its at most a introducing phenomenon. Also Alicorns seem to practically be gods in their own right so it makes sense for it to take rituals and faith to make them.
As for what the Griffins believe in they could still have a pantheon of gods or could be that we have to forge a religion from the old shattered remnants of pre-discord times. The latter could actually be a pretty cool thing to do.
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Well, fanon for mlp, has a habit of treating 'friendship' as religion, and the way friendship is used in the show does have a few shades of religion.
Griffons would look at honor, a code, maybe turn Piety into archaeology, a study of magic that griffons can observe? There are groups that should be able to be studied. There are probably some freaky things in the mlp verse that defy science. Odd architecture that has magic in it's foundation, ley lines are a thing in the cartoon, right?
edit: Wouldn't people have worshiped Discord? Are there griffon cultists?
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I kinda would like if the gods worshiped are not actual gods/dieties/substantial power batteries. But just stone statues that are treated with reverence, respect, and rules that aid us in opinion polls.
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Like Ancester gods? I could get behind heros treated like saints for epic deeds various honor codes.
Do Griffins as a whole know any magic users that are friendly? At this time they have probably only ever met Discord who they know used magic, Dragons with their fire breath, and unicorns who,if I remember correctly, were pretty arrogant and rude back in the day.
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I agree, while gods can be good in some cases they can actually hurt civilization more than help it.
Like think on what would happen if people decided to turn from them or if they began competing for worshipers
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We could just attempt to "Acquire" some Dragon eggs and raise them with our views with more of a focus on a "Assistant" based role in our Society.
I've seen Fanon have Griffons as a Contract based Culture. But I like the idea of an Honor based Culture better.
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Depends on the type of god and how active they are and if they have physical forms, for example Neighpon (also Discord, maybe Celestia and Luna if technically count).
I would put this under very active when you threaten their children with possible extinction or submission/slavery type of gods for instance.
Eh, honor, contracts, honor-bound contracts, time for cultures and sub-cultures to shift in nature and form, anything is possible.
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We could have our Religion be based of a form of Conceptual Spirituality , After all with things like Love, Friendship, Harmony having actual tangible power and physical form and creatures like the Windigos(Spirit of Hate/Anger) ,Discort(Spirit of Chaos), The Darkness (I forgot what its name was Spirit of Darkness/Hunger) The Tentabus (Spirit of Nightmares?) It could make sense that our society could come to fear and respect them.
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Based on how the griffins seem to be they would likely consider them just another monster to fight with discord being the closest to a mythical status with him being similar to the devil.
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I now know how will we create griffin versions of elements of friendship, or better said elements of honour.
Remember how pillars created elements by planting things they cherish in everfree forest.
Well my idea is to find a place like Everfree forest in Griffonia, place rich with wild and untamed magic and we make a temple there.
A temple where we will have all of our heroes buried,keep their most important things there and we will make it a place of pilgrimage and worship while at the same time making honour be most important thing in our society, well honour and some other stuff that make a knight like chivalry.
So my theory is that if entire Griffonian society holds honour and chivalry in high regard, mother's speak tales of our heroes to their children and children look up to those heroes and all that worship is centred towards one place that is rich with magic we will have our equivalent to elements of harmony.
Remember how pillars created elements by planting things they cherish in everfree forest.
Well my idea is to find a place like Everfree forest in Griffonia, place rich with wild and untamed magic and we make a temple there.
A temple where we will have all of our heroes buried,keep their most important things there and we will make it a place of pilgrimage and worship while at the same time making honour be most important thing in our society, well honour and some other stuff that make a knight like chivalry.
So my theory is that if entire Griffonian society holds honour and chivalry in high regard, mother's speak tales of our heroes to their children and children look up to those heroes and all that worship is centred towards one place that is rich with magic we will have our equivalent to elements of harmony.
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Honestly having elements is more likely to degrad our society like it does with the ponies since they come to rely on them for every problem.
I figure that the old gods were either killed or knocked of commission and imprisoned when they tried to stop discord(or he suprise attacked them) so the griffins could still respect them for having the honor to fight rather then run.
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But i though that you wished gods or something.
I mean relaying on elements and gods is pretty much one and the same.
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Not really, gods may bless our soldiers or lands and help when they can but most of the time their fairly limited in their actions for a trade off of being fairly hard to kill. The elements are a one shot weapon that any serious villian should be able to knock out of the fight just by killing or stealing one of the elements.
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That still doesn't change the fact that we will have a beings that are literally above the king.
I mean would you be able to refuse something from God, they bring with them completely other set of problems, remember they can bless the lands but they can curse them as well if they are not loyal.
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Depends on the type of god, could be like celestia and luna(they are practically gods. Also hopefully less focused on ruling everything), Sigmar from warhammer(Blessing and some champions but no real communication after his ascension), or something else. Afterall most gods in fantasy universes dont really interact with their followers except for the occasional prophecy, demigods, their required rules(like the 10 commandments), or rituals rather then direct interference like commanding a nation.