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It's a pendulum between Waystone and Loremaster with Bodyguard tagging along like Mandred a kid saying "Pick me! Pick me!"
 
I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, I foresee zero problems. But if Luitpold dies inconveniently early, that job has the potential to put us in a very awkward squeeze between our duty to the Empire and the plans of our god.
I think it'd depend on how old Mandred is, exactly. If he's 12, well, he's legally an adult and being his advisor for a few years isn't the worst thing. If he's 5, we might have to think about it, yeah.

Although actually, it depends on what a "child Emperor" would actually entail. He'd probably just have a Regent?
 
I wonder how the numbers would change if you take out all the posts that are just votes. However I don't think there's an automated way to do that so it shall remain a wondering.
It's possible to run the tally and get the total number of votes by not filtering out repeated names and selecting the whole thread, but I'm fairly sure the size of the thread would break the tally. I actually think that's happened before and Boney had to talk to SV's tech support to get it working again, so I don't recommend doing it.
 
It would mean pushing him to meet the young Imperial Dragon in the Zoo, giving Dragomas an in, and telling him stories that show Dragons in a positive light.

I am thinking about the personal ethics required to be good friends with dragons and dwarves. I am sure there is something to it, but can't figure it out enough to formulate it.

Now that I think of it, it would be very fun if we could teach the kid our personal ethics, if we figure it out what they are. o_O
 
Honestly, I trust that we'd have done a good enough job at educating him to know that he should let more competent and trusted people advise him (uh, like us... or Heidi...) until he finishes his education, but yes it wouldn't be a good situation.

Though I've to mention that there'd be a pretty big difference depending on Mandred's age at the point that happens. It's not the same a 7 years old Mandred as 15 years old for example.
Eh, a child emperor just needs a good and loyal steward. Someone capable of ruling in his stead and who will actually hand power over when the time comes. Heidi would probably actually do just fine at the former and I doubt she's interested in usurping her own son, though there is a risk of Mandred having trouble escaping her shadow and influence (either real or perceived/accused).

Honestly... a capable dowager empress for the Empire would be pretty cool.
I think it'd depend on how old Mandred is, exactly. If he's 12, well, he's legally an adult and being his advisor for a few years isn't the worst thing. If he's 5, we might have to think about it, yeah.

Although actually, it depends on what a "child Emperor" would actually entail. He'd probably just have a Regent?
Yeah, it's definitely a soluble problem, which is why I framed it as "a concern" and not "a dealbreaker." But it's still something I think is reasonable to want no part of; it might be the black-swan outcome of that job, but our QM is from Australia, after all.
How is it this head to head?
boney gud
 
I think it'd depend on how old Mandred is, exactly. If he's 12, well, he's legally an adult and being his advisor for a few years isn't the worst thing. If he's 5, we might have to think about it, yeah.

Although actually, it depends on what a "child Emperor" would actually entail. He'd probably just have a Regent?
A "legal adult" in the eyes of employers and peasant-oriented laws and traditions is not necessarily the same as old enough to control your own noble fiefdoms.
Even in modern day democracies there's a difference between the age where you get the right to vote and being old enough to be eligible for certain elected positions.
 
For anyone interested in Becoming Matriarch of the Grey order or Supreme Patriarch one day.

Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

would be amazing on the CV.

The Waystone Project

would also be pretty good.

Loremaster at large

will be very bad after a long time: 'is she still actually loyal?'
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
One can hardly be racist against a fictional character IMO. I was just pointing out a generalization at most a stereotype, although even that is stretching it.

SV's rules very much disagree. This is the third time since the last update you've taken an argument to extremes to try to push your preference.

Going by how close this vote seems to be, we're going to have a lot of salty people no matter what wins.
People were already being salty about Heidi so I doubt the idea of maturity there. But I hope it is wrong.

Treating salt as inevitable gives a pass to the people that choose to engage in it. Please don't.

Edit: @BoneyM if one option wins by like 1 or 2 more than the other, will there be another vote with only one choice allowed between those two/three options?

Ask me again if one option wins by like 1 or 2 more than the other.

I don't know why did Dieter exist? Why are all emperors not saints? I don't get why this is so hard to swallow honestly.

I don't know whether to count this as the fourth time in thirty hours or an old one I already told you to cut out. You've got a habit of staking out a desired outcome and then backing any arguments that help it to the hilt, no matter how flimsy they are, no matter how unpleasant the thread becomes as a direct result. And twice since the update you've been cornered while doing it and outright admitted that you know the argument you were using was weak, but you've got a desired outcome and you're going to try to make it happen with whatever arguments you can, so I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt here. You know what you're doing, and considering you've got a long-running quest, you should have a pretty good idea of why I wouldn't want it happening here. Please reassess how you approach debates in this thread, or I'm going to have to start giving you vacations from it.
 
I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, I foresee zero problems. But if Luitpold dies inconveniently early, that job has the potential to put us in a very awkward squeeze between our duty to the Empire and the plans of our god.
Honestly, I don't think it is bad news. Regencies have happened before, and the only way this regency would happen would be if we just won a majority of Elector votes, which is a legitimization that most child kings didn't get. Given that this would be around when he is 10 or so (I don't imagine us able to swing the vote before that, so that would be a moot point), I don't forsee this being nearly as big of a problem as if it happened in a heriditary empire.

As for doing anything during the election, we can't without violating the articles, as we would no longer be serving the emperor, as their isn't one. All of our work would need to be done before that.
For anyone interested in Becoming Matriarch of the Grey order or Supreme Patriarch one day.

Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

would be amazing on the CV.

The Waystone Project

would also be pretty good.

Loremaster at large

will be very bad after a long time: 'is she still actually loyal?'
Admittedly, we don't need it for Supreme Patriarch. That all depends on being the killiest, we already have the prereqs. Actually, @BoneyM, when the next term ends, are we going to have an option to decide if we want to go for it?
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] The Waystone Project

Okay yeah, I like those three.
 
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Okay, since I'm the type that gets salty and I can feel it starting I'm gonna unwatch this for the vote so I don't get myself all worked up. Can someone please PM when it's over? Thanks!
 
You do know those positions aren't actually by appointment?

(Also I doubt they'll be syaing that about the one that keeps smacking around greenskins and skaven and reinforcing their diplomacy with the dwarves.)
grey college is

And SP can be hard if your not respected or people think your more loyal to the dwarfs then the empire, even if you can win it.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Nagarythe
 
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
 
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