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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I'm not actually how sure the "feeding on animals" thing goes? I can't recall reading that it doesn't work and/or causes malnutrition for vamps.
 
DragonParadox said:
Were they being ethical, can anyone who knowingly works with Neferata knowing what she is be called ethical? Strygos to me just felt like Lahmia with more polish and less hedonism. On a fundamental level if you drain people to death as a judicial punishment you get a system where the judge wants there to be crime so they can feed. That is fundamentally corrupt
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Sure it's not the best option (and I wouldn't want to live in Strygos), but as long as you keep the vampire population to a reasonable level, you will have no problem finding criminals to feed on, especially if you don't drain completely the criminals. Even in countries were the death penalty is used only for things like murder there's still people who kill others.
 
Aranfan said:
I'm not actually how sure the "feeding on animals" thing goes? I can't recall reading that it doesn't work and/or causes malnutrition for vamps.
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If you feed on animals you eat animals souls and become more like them. For a vampire you are what you eat is really literal. I think it is mentioned as the reason the Strygoi are so monstrous after being driven underground with the fall of Strygos. They would not feed on their remaining people and they could not count on there being other people around so animals it was.
 
DragonParadox said:
If you feed on animals you eat animals souls and become more like them. For a vampire you are what you eat is really literal. I think it is mentioned as the reason the Strygoi are so monstrous after being driven underground with the fall of Strygos. They would not feed on their remaining people and they could not count on there being other people around so animals it was.
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The Strygoi drink the blood of ghouls and freshly dead corpses, not animals. That's why they so ugly.
 
K von Carstein said:
Sure it's not the best option (and I wouldn't want to live in Strygos), but as long as you keep the vampire population to a reasonable level, you will have no problem finding criminals to feed on, especially if you don't drain completely the criminals. Even in countries were the death penalty is used only for things like murder there's still people who kill others.
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Kind of... in theory, but let me put it another way. Imagine the police in a city had a set quota of criminals they had to catch in a year to get paid. Do you imagine they would:

A) Work as they have always done and trust they will make the target
B) Start falsifying evidence

My bet is on B. If the people looking for crime have some alternative motivation to deliver guilty verdicts the system is not just prone to corruption, it is corrupt.
 
DragonParadox said:
Kind of... in theory, but let me put it another way. Imagine the police in a city had a set quota of criminals they had to catch in a year to get paid. Do you imagine they would:

A) Work as they have always done and trust they will make the target
B) Start falsifying evidence

My bet is on B. If the people looking for crime have some alternative motivation to deliver guilty verdicts the system is not just prone to corruption, it is corrupt.
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Yeah, let's hope Ushoran was serious enough he checked on the judges to make sure they didn't rigged trials.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Were they being ethical, can anyone who knowingly works with Neferata knowing what she is be called ethical? Strygos to me just felt like Lahmia with more polish and less hedonism. On a fundamental level if you drain people to death as a judicial punishment you get a system where the judge wants there to be crime so they can feed. That is fundamentally corrupt
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Where are you getting working with Neferata from? Ushoran was Neffy's little brother, who she originally kept the Elixir from so she could rub her immortality in his face out of spite, which is why Ushoran was the only one in Lahmia's court who had to steal the elixir to become a vampire. After Lahmia was destroyed by Alcadizzar, the vampires were called to serve Nagash until they bailed on him, during which time Vashanesh (Vlad) was in charge. After that, Ushoran and his bloodline wandered until they stumbled on Mourkain, which Kadon had built after finding the Crown of Sorcery. Ushoran usurped Kadon, who was noted to be a weak ruler who compensated for it with cruelty, and established the code of conduct for vampires in Strygos, derived from the code Abhorash had proposed back when Lahmia still existed.

After all this, Ushoran sent messengers to all the bloodlines, inviting them to share in this stable realm he had built where they wouldn't need to hide their true nature from mortals. Neferata slaughtered the messenger sent to her, outraged that the brother she'd always looked down on had outdone her, and then set to arranging Strygos' destruction.
 
DragonParadox said:
On a fundamental level if you drain people to death as a judicial punishment you get a system where the judge wants there to be crime so they can feed. That is fundamentally corrupt
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DragonParadox said:
Kind of... in theory, but let me put it another way. Imagine the police in a city had a set quota of criminals they had to catch in a year to get paid. Do you imagine they would:
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I think to a large degree that depends entirely on how many vampires you have that need feeding. What portion of the population were vampires?
If meeting that quota by honestly doing your job is easy, there'd be no incentive to do anything like that. The problems only begin once you pass a certain threshold regarding the ratio of vampires to humans.
 
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
That's Varghuls, I'm pretty sure. And that also involves Warpstone-contaminated water leaking in as their only source of nourishment.
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Varghulf are vampire who let their bestial nature take over.

From Varghulf

However, there are some within their numbers that find little love for such noble life. Unlike those Vampires that have turned to Vargheistsby means of mutation from warpstoneconsumption, a Varghulf is created when a Vampire simply allows the animalistic urge to overcome them, and in the process, destroy what was left of their former personality. These feral predators abandon their dark castles in order to run unfettered through the forest. Those who revel in such behaviour become physically changed beyond recognition by the vampiric curse.
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And from Vargheist

Not all of these coffins are empty, for this hidden realm is where the Von Carsteins lock away those of their family who have fallen out of favour. Those who come off worse in the endless power struggles of the Vampires often find themselves prematurely buried and left at the mercy of their own relentless thirsts, for there can be no greater suffering for a Vampire than to not die for aeons from the great thirst that wracks their body. Slowly, over the course of decades, the constantly dripping water, magically tainted by warpstone in the stalactites and the tainted soil of Sylvania overhead, finds its way into the prisons of these unfortunates. Torpid for want of fresh blood, the slumbering Vampire would unknowingly drink from the tainted water and begin to devolve and change shape, growing larger and more bestial as the diluted Dark Magic begins to transform their body
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Completely unrelated to the conversation but Mathilde should try infusing a strain of shrooms with divinity too.
Not just winds, there is easy access to Ranald and maybe Esmerelda too, those two feel like gods who would appreciate the delicious hilarity of a divinely imbued shroom for casting miracles! c:
 
K von Carstein said:
What do you mean by that?
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The "Var" in both Varghulf and Vargheist probably comes from the same "wer" that werewolf comes from (originally meaning man). Especially when you consider that Varghulf is a giant bestial monster that was once a man and is three letters away from the word Scandinavian word "varulv".

This is not a bad idea, werewolves and vampires have always been linked, but they really could've picked some better names. Like, what part of a vargheist is spirit or ghostlike?

And if they had picked just slightly different names, people probably wouldn't be confusing them for each other so much and having conversations that remind me of when it was in vogue to get Alkharad's name consistently wrong. <.<
 
Omegahugger said:
The "Var" in both Varghulf and Vargheist probably comes from the same "wer" that werewolf comes from (originally meaning man). Especially when you consider that Varghulf is a giant bestial monster that was once a man and is three letters away from the word Scandinavian word "varulv".

This is not a bad idea, werewolves and vampires have always been linked, but they really could've picked some better names. Like, what part of a vargheist is spirit or ghostlike?
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I thought Vargheist was an adaptation/imperialization of Barghest, and at least wikipedia doesn't seem to think it comes from Wer.
 
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