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Huh Asarnil is willing to avenge the Norse Dwarfs? How surprisingly sweet of him
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Huh Asarnil is willing to avenge the Norse Dwarfs? How surprisingly sweet of him
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Agreed. I'm all for doing one more Branarhune training session before we go on the trip, but I actively want to not finalize it and call it done before we've done some sparring with the shadow warriors and done live testing with the Druchii.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
It's not like we can't improve our style after completing Branarhune. I mean, Branarhune won't make us better at swording in general, it makes us better at Branarhune. I don't think elves would have a lot more to help with it. But what they can do is help use with swording better in general. My guess is that Branarhune gives us a trait like Negate opponent's skill with weapon, or +10 in melee vs experienced fighters, not an improvement to our fighting in general.
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I'd definitely be up for that! 100%.
If we could prod or convince him into giving us sword lessons, I'd absolutely love that.
Now that would make for one hell of a way to complete Branarhune; learning at the feet of a storied old mercenary and Dragonlord and hero of Caledor. Maybe next times we social him, we can convince him for some sword lessons?
... Shit. If we could have been spending our time sparring with Asarnil on this expedition... ... No. We couldn't afford the action costs, alas. Not for the majority of the expedition. Maybe we can afford that now, when we are at the very end of the expedition and nothing urgent is required of us, though.
Although, I wonder if the Knights in the expedition would also be badgering Asarnil for spars, too? Now that they got a better example of how good he is.
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"If I show you a good time, will you write a letter of recommendation for me to take on my vacation?"
"Human, I'm not that kind of elf."
*Mathilde summons her sword*
"...that kind of a good time. Well then, you have yourself a deal."
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Just a reminder - we can probably theoretically spar with Asarnil to see what it's like to deal with a hilariously superior opponent, assuming he doesn't consider us beneath him in the field of swordsmanship (we are), but we can't practice Branarhune in live spars at all:
It's impossible to keep the Rune of the Unknown on while keeping Kragg's Cannonball Special off, and bringing out S10 hits to a spar is generally considered bad form.
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TaliesinSkye
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Seriously though, he might be a huge help in developing that weird disappearing sword style we want to invent. Even if we have to figure out some safe way to spar with it first. Or imitate sparing with it, maybe with a fake shadow sword or something.
I mean...
This and sentiments like it are basically going "We want a style that can counter or hose anybody who fights like X; Elves happen to fight like X". If Elves fight, or have traits or qualities that we hope to be able to counter with our sword style, then it logically goes that fighting Elves would be helpful for our style.
Granted, that's only if you think the style would counter Elf speed/skill/age. But, if you do believe that, then you should also logically believe that sparring with Elves would help you develop that style. Because you would be practicing against the very people you hope to be able to counter.
Yep, exactly. I want to do one more training session (we have 1/4, so advance it to 2/4) and then get the rest via practicing with Elves. Maybe we can hire an elf sword trainer via the Colleges, if that's available. (Probably not, but, eh.)
TaliesinSkye
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Something something danger zone?
... In that case though...
The Elfternship might be a way to complete the style. Due to, uh... well. Hands-on experience.
i.e. The Elfternship will be one of the few places where we'd actually get to face Druchii, and thus be able to practice Branarhune "in the field" so to speak.
Alternatively, the Elves might be the only people with enough immediate magic shielding -- and magic healing in case of accidents -- to be able to allow for Branarhune practice.
... Eh, maybe not.Hm. Maybe they'd have some weird gimmicky artifacts that mimic the effects of the "vanishing blade" thing of the Rune of the Unknown?
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I don´t think that it will happen like that, with this Adventure most of the thread we have already satiated its hunger for adventures for the foreseeable future, I don´t really think that we will take the elfcation at least for the next 8-10 turns, and in that time we are probably going to take significantly more than one self-improving action, if only because doing exclusively work and research will grow old pretty quick and people would like to add some variety to the turns.
Especially with the Research institute giving us extra research actions.
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TaliesinSkye
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But think about how much research they'll have gotten done by the time we get back! And then we can lavish them with fell druchii artifacts to poke at with very long sticks.
Deathfang: "I'm not that kind of dragon, human."
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
That means that after the game has been released and its lore is available on wikis and videos we could in theory stumble into that part of the world without forcing BoneyM to make up a whole setting from whole cloth and a mix of Chinese folklore and stereotypes.
We could in theory throw enough money together to buy it for him.
Does the Grey College actually know about the extent of that part of our talent? Beyond our ability to model and manipulate Waaagh that is,
I was hoping they would also be interested in her expertise, opinion and magical ability after she shows up and does "the thing" that only she can do. Less some form of regular and boring CF source and more like that "hang out a shingle" action, except much more relevant and important stuff, while also providing an avenue for quest hooks that allow us to delve deeper into your magic lore from a wide variety of angles. It's also why I said to show of our ability to our LM colleagues instead of announcing that we have free time in a College lecture or the classified ads in the Altdorf Times.
Huh. So the mammoth wasn't subjected to typical elephant training and manipulation methods and instead is helping out with civil engineering projects out of its own free will due to either pay or loyalty? That's cool and scary and bodes ill for any grand theft mammoth plans.
Game wiki articles on lore have taken a nosedive in the last few years. Or at least that has been my experience with the games I follow and have followed for over a decade.
That's a weird alternate spelling/guise for Ranald, but it does start with an R and have an N as the second consonant, so I guess it's okay.
We could find a friendly and easily trainable mount and then use the Dragon Altar on it.doing a bit of wiki surfing
I hate to be the bearer of bad news (because if the opportunely came up I would have been for it)
but the Dragon Egg idea has a big problem: dragons grow slowly.
now, the smallest dragon that can be ridden is, as the elfs call them 'sun' dragons.
but how old they are is a bit up in the air.
but 'Moon' dragons, 'lived before Aenarion's reign' ( -4500 to -4420 IC ) 'that's thousands of years, it takes them to grow to the 'big boy' size
so just to be clear, it could be well outside of the scope of this quest to rise one as a mount.
A town that can field a militia that's over a thousand strong is not a fishing village.
I meant that nobody told the Nordlander translator that Vaul is a god and even if he understood that from context, simply equating him with Vallich because it has a couple of similar sounds seems weird. After all Khaine and Khorne sound similar too and also have similar portfolios, but them being the same deity is controversial at best. So I thought that maybe there is already a theory connecting Vaul to Vallich making its rounds in Nordland and/or among the Ulrican church.
Didn't know that. It's the first time I hear of Norsemen stabbing the eye of an enemy in honor of Odin.
Despite the theories among Empire theologians that the Ancestor-Gods aren't real gods?
How do Khorne and Tzeentch even tolerate these people? Or more specifically (because the Four can't be bothered with this chickenshit), how do their Champions and zealots and mutant visionaries tolerate anyone living in these civvie towns?
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About as likely as getting Kragg to write Runesmithing for Dummies, I would guess.
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If Mathilde had mastered Branarhune, I'd be more enthused about testing ourselves against Asarnil, since facing a developed Master-tier style centered around a sword of very unique properties would probably be interesting enough that he'd really enjoy himself. But at the moment, Mathilde is demonstrably a few steps short of her full martial potential, so I don't feel the need to.
But afterwards, oh boooooy do I want to see Mathilde be the badass Grandmaster Swordswoman she was always meant to be.
But afterwards, oh boooooy do I want to see Mathilde be the badass Grandmaster Swordswoman she was always meant to be.
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TaliesinSkye
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It's the Grey College, they surely spy on everybody from time to time just to be sure they're on the up and up.
Also, the sword's name is Branulhune, guys.
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Asarnil is just the best.
And the Sisterhood of Ghrond use magic, which helps with both defending against blows and the temperature hazards of wearing a bikini in Naggaroth.
We need to go deeper.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
The thing is, it's not really a style, or something we can learn fighting. It's a set of 4 tools that have to be experimented with to figure out how they work, with each of the four ticks represents 1 of the 4 tools, so it's not like we are halfway through a style at 2/4, instead we would have learned 2 tools, and have no real ability with the other 2. So there's no real point where we know enough to experiment versus enemies, but not enough to not be done experimenting. I think I remember a WoB that we also wouldn't experiment with something like this during battle either.
I definitely want to learn swording from the elves, but this doesn't seem to be the way.
Style name is slightly different though.
In regards to the talk about deliberately not finishing though, doesn't seem particularly necessary to me. Mathilde already has a roughed out idea of what she wants it to do, and has live usage experience against daemons, who are quite skilled in their own right.
Further refinements can always come after she finishes the initial product.