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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Strange9 said:
This is the part that bugs me about the 'well, chaos wastes have variable terrain' explanation, @SuperSonicSound. If it were just chaos doing chaos things, I'd expect the elevation changes to be... well, chaotic. The fact that it's pretty uniform suggests either a 'natural' phenomena the Waystone is keeping out (warpstone dust deposits?) or else something intentional.

I also don't think the chaos wastes are uniformly higher than the rest of the world.
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They don't need to be, the local area may have raised in elevation (outside the bubble of reality) and the slopes and rises are because of the desert basically collapsing/flowing into the bubble I get what you're saying it does seem odd, but that oddness is kind of part and parcel with the chaos wastes. I agree the chaos wastes aren't uniformly higher than the rest of the world but then nothing in the chaos wastes is uniform over a large enough area. It's impossible to know for sure, I accept that I could be wrong, I just dont have any other ideas for why it's like that.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
Honestly, the thing I'm most worried about is what the Asrai are going to do when they learn about this. Because the answer may very well be "immediately assault the nearest dwarfhold."
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Hold on.

Which faction in the old world would have a very strong vested interest in finding a semi-permanent solution to the Morghur problem, instead of having to kill him every Saturday like a cheap cartoon villain, and additionally has the capacity to grow primeval forests anywhere from a mere seed?
 
WELP.

1) BOREK HOW FUCKING DARE YOU (even if I do understand where is it coming from)

2) Those dwarfs are not doing kickflips, they are fucking using their skates as helicopter blades.

3) we need to fucking walk away from this. I don't think we can do jacksquat right now.

Ancestors be merciful, I'm seriously considering to just go "fuck it" and vote to use the Second Secret on this bitch.

Skateboarding, kickflipping Jesus Christ.
 
Hm.

Some details to consider:

• Cor-Dum vanished from the Old World shortly after the great Chaos incursion and hasn't been seen since. Moderate evidence that this is the "actual" Cor-Dum instead of a copy or facsimile.
• Cor-Dum would not hang out in this sort of region normally - his thing is elves, not dwarves, and fucking around for two hundred years without capturing a Waystone and corrupting it seems extremely off.
• The forest. It seems odd to me that a forest of this type would suddenly sprout around a mountain where it formerly wasn't, and I don't think that "Cor-Dum is hanging around" is a sufficient explanation, since said forest isn't unusually warped or twisted beyond the usual level.

While "the dwarves of Dum have captured and bound Cor-Dum" does seem fitting, it does not seem to be sufficient to explain everything we've seen here. And I strongly suspect Athel Loren is involved somehow.

• Athel Loren are the ancestral foes of Cor-Dum, and have spent centuries trying to put him down permanently.
• We know that prior to the great Chaos Incursion, the high elves were in hot pursuit of Cor-Dum across the old world - and that Finubar, who was in charge at the time, is far more open to cooperation with the dwarves than the usual.

I can imagine a sequence of events where Karag Dum agreed to help the wood and high elves seal away Cor-Dum, or something of the like, only to bust out their pet sealed evil in a can as their final contingency when it looked like all other options had failed.

The shame of Dum would thus be threefold - that they had worked with the elves to bind a respawning chaos puppet, that they hid this from the rest of the Karaz Ankor, and that they resorted to actively deploying their bound evil to keep themselves alive.

I suspect that the forest we're seeing was created through wood elf magic, either through direct cooperation with said wood elves or through the runemasters redirecting wood elf magic that had previously been used to seal Cor-Dum.
 
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[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.

[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
 
Dwarf Runes basically consume and manipulate the winds to function, right?

If beastmen are puppets by the dark gods, maybe that magical control could be usurped in an area by runes?

If the dark gods can't send direct puppets into the area without losing control of them, it would explain why Dum is still standing.
 
Redshirt Army said:
While "the dwarves of Dum have captured and bound Cor-Dum" does seem fitting, it does not seem to be sufficient to explain everything we've seen here. And I strongly suspect Athel Loren is involved somehow.
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They would also remember the collaboration between elves and dwarves on the Waystones, much like the Eonir do.
 
[X] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.

[X] ACTION: Investigate further.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
 
Thanks for updates!

[:V] THEORY: Some really wierd shit happened here.

Seriously, I'm going to abstain from voting. Because I can't figure out what the fuck happened here, and what we should do with it, and can't even keep up with thread. Now thread slowing down, and there is only one new page for every page I read. But I still have 20 pages, and can't make it without breaks, which will increase the backlog...

Chlof said:
I have a really dumb idea. @BoneyM how many people could feasibly ride on Deathfang at once?
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You discarded that idea too soon. Deathfang unwilling to give a ride, yes. But what about holding a "bag" in his claws?
 
We have a magic stone back at K8P that turns people into a dragon. Maybe Karak Dum has something like that which turns them into Beastmen Lord?
 
Redshirt Army said:
I can imagine a sequence of events where Karag Dum agreed to help the wood and high elves seal away Cor-Dum, or something of the like, only to bust out their pet sealed evil in a can as their final contingency when it looked like all other options had failed.

The shame of Dum would thus be threefold - that they had worked with the elves to bind a reawakening chaos puppet, that they hid this from the rest of the Karaz Ankor, and that they resorted to actively deploying their bound evil to keep themselves alive.

I suspect that the forest we're seeing was created through wood elf magic, either through direct cooperation with said wood elves or through the runemasters redirecting wood elf magic that had previously been used to seal Cor-Dum.
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Borek and Morghur wouldn't be friendly if that was the real Morghur in a binding, if only because the real Morghur doesn't do friendliness even with people who don't enslave him.

If it was Morghur in a binding his greeting to Borek would have involved a ton of snarling as he unsuccessfully attempted to eat Borek and followed it up with a lot of wordless threats that would nonetheless be extremely eloquent as to what would happen when he inevitably got out.

Ergo, not Morghur. The real Morghur is probably somewhere in the deep forests that only the Asrai know. The Asrai really suck at talking to other people so they never shared the information. He could be sieging Athel Loren right now and chances are we wouldn't know.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
I can imagine a sequence of events where Karag Dum agreed to help the wood and high elves seal away Cor-Dum, or something of the like, only to bust out their pet sealed evil in a can as their final contingency when it looked like all other options had failed.
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But why would they agree to take on that burden if they weren't going to weaponize him from the start? They're a hold that already had way too many problems and little to gain from taking on someone else's.
Redshirt Army said:
The shame of Dum would thus be threefold - that they had worked with the elves to bind a reawakening chaos puppet, that they hid this from the rest of the Karaz Ankor, and that they resorted to actively deploying their bound evil to keep themselves alive.
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Redshirt Army said:
I suspect that the forest we're seeing was created through wood elf magic, either through direct cooperation with said wood elves or through the runemasters redirecting wood elf magic that had previously been used to seal Cor-Dum.
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This doesn't at all explain what is by far the biggest clue in this whole update - the affection. The rebirth theory far, far more neatly explains all of this. Cor-Dum is born into the hold, somehow socialized, and they attract/start creating beastmen from livestock and binding them, or controlling them through Cor-Dum, in order to mitigate their biggest issue, which is a grievous lack of manpower.

Seriously, that gesture of affection was probably more important to figuring all of this out than most of the rest put together. We can't just ignore the implication there.
 
[X] THEORY: The Dwarfs have control over Cor-Dum and is likely being controlled by Karak Dum's King or Leader, They are doing this to protect the Waystone and keep the Karak Ankor safe, there is an ongoing siege to take control of the waystone with a nearby source providing power to the desert to weaken the defenders.
[X] ACTION: Look for the source of the desert.

Casting vote again because i forgot caps,

Redshirt Army said:
While "the dwarves of Dum have captured and bound Cor-Dum" does seem fitting, it does not seem to be sufficient to explain everything we've seen here. And I strongly suspect Athel Loren is involved somehow.

• Athel Loren are the ancestral foes of Cor-Dum, and have spent centuries trying to put him down permanently.
• We know that prior to the great Chaos Incursion, the high elves were in hot pursuit of Cor-Dum across the old world - and that Finubar, who was in charge at the time, is far more open to cooperation with the dwarves than the usual.

I can imagine a sequence of events where Karag Dum agreed to help the wood and high elves seal away Cor-Dum, or something of the like, only to bust out their pet sealed evil in a can as their final contingency when it looked like all other options had failed.

The shame of Dum would thus be threefold - that they had worked with the elves to bind a respawning chaos puppet, that they hid this from the rest of the Karaz Ankor, and that they resorted to actively deploying their bound evil to keep themselves alive.

I suspect that the forest we're seeing was created through wood elf magic, either through direct cooperation with said wood elves or through the runemasters redirecting wood elf magic that had previously been used to seal Cor-Dum.
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Unlikely, that degree of research and cooperation would not come easily in times of war, whatever this is must be older.

Keep in mind that Dwarfs hate elves, and Athel Loren are among the worst of the lot.

Athel Loren elves are not supposed to be in the mainland and were considered rebel Colonists by Ulthuan, it seems likely that the Oak of Ages was planted on top of a waystone or equivalent, it may well be that Cor-Dum's drive to reach the Oak is a Dwarf drive, and might be why the dwarfs let it be for so long.
 
DragonParadox said:
Athel Loren hates, hates, hates dwarfs because of all the trees they killed.
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But how many trees has Karag Dum killed?

065tdsa said:
Borek and Morghur wouldn't be friendly if that was the real Morghur in a binding, if only because the real Morghur doesn't do friendliness even with people who don't enslave him.
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Depends on how thorough the enslaving is. For all we know there's a dwarf somewhere in that mountain operating the Cor-Dum body remotely.
 
So after pages of discussion, we, the voices on Mathilde's head have no way of knowing WTF is going on.

Good. We're shadow wizard, deception, counter deception and unraveling things and poking shit thst does not belong is our gig.

So, there will be some credible theory, backed with our (and our peers) own wind perception and analysis, and the dwarves.

What we do know, and i think Mathilde got her wind eye active full time, is that the area is too tame for thar beast incursion.

So likely this is not the real deal, but some trickery and dwarves are basically hiding behind an image of their enemy to ensure safety of themselves. And i think this is what Borek finda shamefull.


Soo we and one poor dwarf bastard need to arrange a recon to a forest might be choke shit full of puppeted chaos beastmen or one hell of an illusion/herdstone/waystone created by one sick magnifecent bastard rune master.
 
BoneyM said:
This is what it is to be a Wizard. The robes, the rituals, the titles, the books, they were just decoration. To be a Wizard is to face the tide of power that would kill the world, and to bend that power to its defence.
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Behold the wizard~~! Beware her power!!!~~ Her unspeakable powers!!!!!
 
[X] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.

[X] ACTION: Investigate further.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
 
[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.

[X] ACTION: Turn back
 
I'm not completely sold on the affection thing as evidence of him being half dwarf—stroking hair as a form of affection isn't unique to dwarfs. Also, between Johann's rats and the ambers we know that creatures are rarely born as monsters, but instead turned into them.

So what if being bound to a dhar-less waystone helped socialise and de-monsterfy him? He doesn't need to have been born a dwarf.
 
BoneyM said:
"Just a moment," you say. "Things aren't adding up."

Across the sands, the two figures meet, and the Shadowgave bends down to consider the Dwarf before him. Then he reaches out a twisted claw and runs it over Borek's hair in what seems to be an affectionate gesture. He stands aside and Borek continues his march, disappearing into the trees. Deafening silence embraces the crowd of onlookers, broken only by the wind whistling past you.
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Yeah. Okay. I'm tossing my hands up.

Like, literally. Now my sister is asking me why I'm acting so weird and I am at a complete loss for words of how to explain it, seeing how she doesn't know the concepts of Quests or Warhammer.

Well played, BoneyM. Well played.

[X] ACTION: Convert to Chaos, go back to the Dolgan and ask to be educated in their ways.

EDIT: Switching to correct format.
 
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