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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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storryeater said:
I honestly wonder whether chaos has anything in its sleeve greater than greater daemons, but keeps it hidden to give its opponents a sporting chance.

I mean, the Old Ones were more powerful than any Slann, and Kroak, the most powerful Slann, killed thousands of bloodthirsters before getting killed. Why would the Old Ones flee if that was the full extent of chaos's power? It makes sense for humans, dawi, elves, even draggons to fear them, but to the guys that can produce Slann that are a caliber greater than Greater Daemons, chaos should be a joke.
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It may simply be a resource allocation thing, Chaos is presumably fighting this war across many worlds and has a limited number of its super-elites and once the Old Ones evacuated there has no target strong enough remaining on Mallus to justify their deployment. So they stick with their lesser units and it may take a few millennia more to subjugate Mallus but from their perspective it probably doesn't matter how long it takes, especially for some backwater planet, as long as it's done eventually. You don't deploy tanks against primitives with wooden spears after all, they can be put to better use elsewhere.
 
@BoneyM I have a request. I'd really like to see Mathilde actually telling everyone their posts. Both her internally fretting over who to put on counterspelling and Hubert's reaction to "you're with me" interest me. Of course these are just requests by a random dude. If such a scene doesn't fit your inspiration, plans or writing flow then please just ignore this post.

Anyway, I'm off. It's becoming morning here and I really should be sleeping by now.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
I don't like to call specific people out when they're just having harmless fun, which is why my advice was to just scroll past it rather than be a downer about it.
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Fair enough. I was mostly just curious what you considered to be so out there and why—if only so I could see what I might be missing in my considerations—but I suppose it would be rude to those who mentioned it. Eh, different perspectives I suppose.
 
Clouds are Celestial magic not Shadow magic, we were told this when we asked if our road spell could make bridges, the answer was no
 
Varano said:
Clouds are Celestial magic not Shadow magic, we were told this when we asked if our road spell could make bridges, the answer was no
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Well yes, if we make the cloud banks fly or something, but I think the idea was that they'd be fog specifically. Down on the ground, but we're building on top so the castles themselves are floating but the fog isn't and remains Ulgu.

Or something, it was probably more joke than serious thought anyways.
 
Varano said:
Clouds are Celestial magic not Shadow magic, we were told this when we asked if our road spell could make bridges, the answer was no
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I'm aware, as I said "close enough."

If we make a Fog Castle and call it a Cloud Castle .... basically the only people who will go "those aren't clouds" are other wizards, and we have enough College Favor that we can just ignore them.

Remember kids, lying, status, and money are the real superpowers in life.

Ericwinter said:
Or something, it was probably more joke than serious thought anyways.
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Calling it a cloud was the joke, I still think we could create a solid Fog thing, and, well, magical architecture is something Mathilde has experience in.

Plus, it would work well with our other created spells. Considering we created a map spell and a roadwork spell, an on the spot fortification spell or enchantment/tower or whatever would fit the pattern pretty well.

Granted, as a spell ... probably smaller scale then a castle. Has potential as a defensive tower though. You activate it and additional fortifications or, like, a maze pops up, and you could change it on the fly to mess with the enemy.
 
NexusEye said:
It may simply be a resource allocation thing, Chaos is presumably fighting this war across many worlds and has a limited number of its super-elites and once the Old Ones evacuated there has no target strong enough remaining on Mallus to justify their deployment. So they stick with their lesser units and it may take a few millennia more to subjugate Mallus but from their perspective it probably doesn't matter how long it takes, especially for some backwater planet, as long as it's done eventually. You don't deploy tanks against primitives with wooden spears after all, they can be put to better use elsewhere.
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It's simple.

Chaos fights itself as much as it fights everyone else. It's canonical that in the deepest parts of the Chaos Wastes, where time and so far and physics get iffy, armies fight for the eye of the gods across time itself. Much of the elite human armies of Chaos spend their time fighting each other up there, not trying to burn the world. Their daemons meanwhile are part of the Great Game, where the Chaos Gods throw their armies at each other in the Warp and do their best to fuck each other up on a 25/7 basis.

Meanwhile, it's not that Chaos is weaker than expected, it's that when the Great Catacylsm took place and they flooded the world, their daemon hordes literally unending, no checks on their manifestation? It still took 1100 years to get to the point where Aenarion came back to Ulthuan and saw he had no choice but to step into the fire.

That's how long the Lizardmen held, at the peak of their power even with half their Slann dead on the breaking of the Gates and many of them occupied holding back Chaos from just flooding the world and dragging it into the Warp.

Chaos wasn't holding back. The enemies they fought were just that strong.
 
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NexusEye said:
It may simply be a resource allocation thing, Chaos is presumably fighting this war across many worlds and has a limited number of its super-elites and once the Old Ones evacuated there has no target strong enough remaining on Mallus to justify their deployment. So they stick with their lesser units and it may take a few millennia more to subjugate Mallus but from their perspective it probably doesn't matter how long it takes, especially for some backwater planet, as long as it's done eventually. You don't deploy tanks against primitives with wooden spears after all, they can be put to better use elsewhere.
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Chaos wishes. In practice, its armies bust out as many of the bigger daemons as they can manage to bind whenever the conditions are favorable (i.e In the Storms of Magic, and such). It's just that they end up running into everybody else's Giant Robots / Kaiju and not getting anything done except being super cool.

The harder they go at it, the crazier all their enemies get in response. It's less that they've got forces they just don't use, and more that if they throw out Power Ranger villains the Power Rangers are going to show up.
 
chocolote12 said:
Chaos wishes. In practice, its armies bust out as many of the bigger daemons as they can manage to bind whenever the conditions are favorable (i.e In the Storms of Magic, and such). It's just that they end up running into everybody else's Giant Robots / Kaiju and not getting anything done except being super cool.

The harder they go at it, the crazier all their enemies get in response. It's less that they've got forces they just don't use, and more that if they throw out Power Ranger villains the Power Rangers are going to show up.
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It's weird, almost as if the various opposing armies have some kind of points based system that means that they're always roughly evenly matched. :V
 
Huh, random thought. Would Thorgrim be able to tell that Mathilde messed with the Waystone Network when he gets the report of what happened here? Even the general details of Mathilde blocking the power source for this dimensional shift spell would probably let him intuit that it was Waystone related, right? And if he does figure that out... would he consider hiring Mathilde to help fix the rest of the Network? He wouldn't be sharing the secret since she already knows, and just like the elves has ample reason to consider her something of an expert.
 
Ericwinter said:
Huh, random thought. Would Thorgrim be able to tell that Mathilde messed with the Waystone Network when he gets the report of what happened here? Even the general details of Mathilde blocking the power source for this dimensional shift spell would probably let him intuit that it was Waystone related, right? And if he does figure that out... would he consider hiring Mathilde to help fix the rest of the Network? He wouldn't be sharing the secret since she already knows, and just like the elves has ample reason to consider her something of an expert.
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If Vlag slots back into the Waystone network, Thorgrim might already know it's back.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
If Vlag slots back into the Waystone network, Thorgrim might already know it's back.
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Well yes, but he wouldn't necessarily know that it was because we knowingly screwed with the supposedly secret Dwarven Network. Hell, the first time it really wasn't that, just prompting it to come back on its own for a moment.
 
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