Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Horologer
Incertae sedis
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Okay, but the success of the mission probably isn't going to hinge on on whether we're the leader of the knights.
I don't think Borek's going to really care whether we're Dame Mathilde Weber, Thane and Loremaster of Karak Eight Peaks and leader of the Imperial Wizards on the expedition, or whether we're Dame Mathilde Weber, Thane and Loremaster of Karak Eight Peaks and leader of the Imperial Wizards and Knights on the expedition. I don't really see why he'd listen to us in the second case, but not in the first.
I think the best argument for becoming leader of the knights is that if Borek loses it, de jure leadership of the knights makes it easier to stage a soft coup.
But I also think that until that happens, leadership of the knights is an unnecessary responsibility. It's just not important unless we actually need to stage said coup, in my opinion, and since we're already juggling a lot of responsibilities, I think it's fine to let the knights do their own thing for now.
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fictionfan
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When it comes to scouting on the plains Hubert is actually a better choice. Our shadow horse might be fast, but he can fly. Also we can just cast shadow horse on someone if we really need a shadow horse scout.
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Just swinging around with a broad brush out of frustration I think.
fictionfan
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I look forward to actually using this. We have had this a really long time but we have never been in a position where it made sense to use. Well now we are doing a long overland expedition that we expect to fight during. Not fighting underground and I expect at least one open fight. There is no way were are that lucky.
Although horrible thought @BoneyM : Is there any problem with bringing the shadow horse along when teleporting with smoke and mirrors? Because that would ruin it.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I think the only time it's come up was during the initial scrum when we breached Karak 8 Peaks. The fight in the valley, before we actually went into any of the Karaks.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I need to reread that. I didn't feel like we were riding our horse.
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- He/Him/His.
[X] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarni
Changing my vote; the arguments presented have persuaded me.
Changing my vote; the arguments presented have persuaded me.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Don't know how I never noticed before. @BoneyM : There is an equal sign here where there should be a plus sign.
I've had the opinion of the thread thinks 'dwarfs can do no wrong' for irl years now. Ive not been shy about it and I've explained my thinking lots of times, just look at my thread history.
if you think you're being 'attack' that's more your side of things then mine.
edit: to explained.
no I don't have one thing to point out.
its an opinion on a general trend in how the dwarfs are portrayed by the vocal voters in the under and over current of discussion.
there is no one thing to point at unless I do an analysis of 1000s of posts.
but I don't think its wrong, and there has been times that I have just gone 'what?' on some of the things I've read.
so ya, I'm confident that unless boney explicitly says (like the above thing with Forkbeard) the thread will assume that the dwarfs will not do or think anything wrong.
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Lead all is now ahead of lead only the wizards, so if anyone was approval voting Lead Wizards+Asarnil along with Lead All and preferred Lead All of the two you might want to drop the extra vote.
Then and for a short while during the Roswita assassination attempt. Though iirc we quickly had to dismount to shore up the line when the greatswords melted.
Then and for a short while during the Roswita assassination attempt. Though iirc we quickly had to dismount to shore up the line when the greatswords melted.
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- being near locations is my passion.
It's your generalisation via use of the word 'thread' as opposed to 'segments of the thread' or 'some posters' or something along those lines that makes me feel you are describng me, as I consider myself to be part of the the group you refer to when you type 'thread'
When complaining about stuff, please be more accurate in how you communicate who you are referring to.
This is not a case of "people that [thing] does not apply to, will know that when I say 'the thread' that I am talking about them" it is a case of "when you generalise and use a term that refers all of group that includes me, in your attempt to refer to a sub-set of that group, then I feel like I am being accused of doing [thing]."
I do not like feeling accused of doing something that I do not feel that I have done.
Edit: " its an opinion on a general trend in how the dwarfs are portrayed by the vocal voters in the under and over current of discussion " <- this is fine to say, and does not bother me. It feels like an analysis of a trend in the thread that you perceive and feel is noteworthy and you communicating it like this does not make me feel like you are describing me to other people (i.e. accusing) as doing something that I do not feel I have been doing.
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how about... no?
I expressed an opinion, and I did not target anyone with it, I especially did not target you.
Franky, I did not even know what your option on the subject was until you stated at me.
so no, I'm not jumping through a thousand semantic hoops for you because, what exactly? my vague five-second opinion comment, may have, possibly, maybe, included you? but really only if you, yourself, think it does?
and then what? it would have been fine if it didn't involve you?
I'm actually pissed and insulted you think I have some sort of obligation to you or that you have that kind of censoring rights over me.
(am I in a bad mood? yes, but i didn't do anything wrong; by any definition. you just decided to be offended.)
and then you have the gol to claim that I was the one accusing people of things.
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[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
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- being near locations is my passion.
Do we have an obligation to consider the effect the words we use have on other people? I say we do.
Is it censorship to ask someone to modify the language they used to communicate their perspective and explain why you want them to do so? It can be, if one uses (or implies) threat of force, or restrictions of rights/privileges (I.e. punching, or applying points, or even threatening to report someone). I... didn't do either of those things. But "polite request with an explanation as to one's reasoning for it" is actually something I have seen described as censorship before. And for you to apply that word to my posts here is telling in the extreme.
I did not decide to feel as I felt, I read your post; experienced an emotion and chose to identify what it was (edit: or maybe I automatically identified it as I experienced it? unsure) and identify why I felt that. I then chose to communicate those two things to you. Neither of those was me choosing to be offended.
The only problem I had, that I spent effort to identify down and communicate with precision, was that the way you chose to communicate you overall read of the tread ended up painting everyone in this thread with the same broad brush, and I personally objected to being painted with that brush.
Because this... this is wrong:
Please take 15 minutes, some water and then re-read your post that I responded to at the start of this to this point again.
Sometimes I'm not the best communicator, but... this feels very clear to me.
Is it censorship to ask someone to modify the language they used to communicate their perspective and explain why you want them to do so? It can be, if one uses (or implies) threat of force, or restrictions of rights/privileges (I.e. punching, or applying points, or even threatening to report someone). I... didn't do either of those things. But "polite request with an explanation as to one's reasoning for it" is actually something I have seen described as censorship before. And for you to apply that word to my posts here is telling in the extreme.
I did not decide to feel as I felt, I read your post; experienced an emotion and chose to identify what it was (edit: or maybe I automatically identified it as I experienced it? unsure) and identify why I felt that. I then chose to communicate those two things to you. Neither of those was me choosing to be offended.
The only problem I had, that I spent effort to identify down and communicate with precision, was that the way you chose to communicate you overall read of the tread ended up painting everyone in this thread with the same broad brush, and I personally objected to being painted with that brush.
Because this... this is wrong:
And this is why:
The bolded bits refer to the thread in its totality in that post - i.e. you are referring to everyone who has contributed to the mico-society that is delimited by "this thread on SV". You didn't target no-one. You targeted everyone.
Please take 15 minutes, some water and then re-read your post that I responded to at the start of this to this point again.
Sometimes I'm not the best communicator, but... this feels very clear to me.
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- Canada
There was also the fight defending Roswita from the undead wolves. Mathilde spent most of that mounted, until the melee got too chaotic for it.
I feel the same though, it'll be neat to see mounted combat take prominence. Especially out on the steppes.
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- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
This really should have been a PM dude. Instead of trying to publicly shame the other guy.
.... you do understand, that while elegantly said and using emotive claims.
your whole argument is based on directly accusing me of malice by indirectly accusing of you... of an opinion in a game?
1: its inherently hypocritical for one.
but two, by coming at me like this, and trying to paint me as a moral wrong doer while claiming such hart you have been directly destructive to me. your painting a lot on to me for a not really... important comment.
I cant have an argument like the above. because I would have to make claims of feels I don't really feel (its a game) and I would have to accuse you of a lot of the things you are assuming me of.
and I wont, because of.. well. I will forget about this whole thing tomorrow probably.
but I will say that if you really got all that from an internet comment, about a game.
that's your problem.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Staff Notice - This is uncivil. Had I gotten to it in a reasonable timeframe, it probably would have been infracted. - Skippy
A really fucking stupid opinion. Like, seriously dumb opinion. Which annoyed me a bit 'cuz I am stupid in my own ways, not in that way, and well, ADHD tables kicked in, and I went rather in depth in my 'what' and 'way' and typing it down went from effort to 'thing that happens'
But looking back at this, I can see how I have went overboard when 'yo, I don't like reading your posts and feeling bad' in terms of length when I tried to communicate why they made me feel bad.
but... "censorship"
"please modify your language for@ [these reasons]" -> "this is censorship!"
motherfuck wtf agghhhhhh my brain is leaking out
edit: also please check the edits in my posts above.
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" by coming at me like this, and trying to paint me as a moral wrong doer while claiming such hart you have been directly destructive to me"
oh. I thought I was being mostly emotionally neutral in the language I chose to communicate impact your post had on me which was 'fells slightly bad' + 'offended-ish'. I wouldn't go so far as to use 'hurt'. I'm not sure how I gave off that impression. Length of post maybe?
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- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
@Jyn Ryvia @BeepSmile For the love of god take this to DMs and stop shitting up the thread. Both of you are being little shits at the moment and basically trying to use the thread as a way to get people on your side by having a public argument. Which is a really scummy move on both of your parts. DMs exist for this sort of thing. Use them.
Staff Notice - These kind of overly heated spats about nothing are not productive, and skirt the edge of the thread policy. Please don't do it.
Dude, stop. Your wellll passed being appropriate.
let's be frank, this could have been a pm, but your just trying to publicly shame. (To be fair, I would not have bothered responding to a pm.)
your reaction was not proportional to the original comment, I got a bit heated (not apoplectic) butI did.
then you went on a heart tugging spele while throwing a lot of implications at me.
I responded, (I had to delete get over yourself' a few times) that I'm not going to pretend that I was feeling things that I didn't to meet your claims. (I'm pissed at you trying to shame me over a vague comment, but I'll get over it).
and now you trying to bring up the semantics again.
im just saying it now: get. Over. Your. Self.
@TempestK I'll try, but I'm legitimately spitting mad, so it's hard.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Cease.
This is not the place.
This is not the place.
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- Earth
So back to Divided Loyalties... I remain unconvinced that the extra clout we gain by claiming more authority is worth having less voices at the table. To rehash what I said earlier, this is a fairly diverse army composition, and it would be best for all groups to be represented in the planning sessions. The best representative for a unit is a member of that unit. Mathilde likely does not know how to deploy Asarnil better than Asarnil does, and in a war council, that kind of expertise matters. After all, rangers and engineers each have representation at the highest level. There's no reason for wizards and knights and dragonlords not to have the same. Claiming this authority seems like its only purpose is to act as an unnecessary filter to keep the input of Asarnil and the knightly leaders out of planning sessions.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil