I mean all that was true before except we thought they had taken up apparition binding, consensual runic necromancy or something. The fact that the core of the issue is other runesmiths slandering them to make themselves look better means the starting position of such a potential fall isn't already halfway down the slippery slope.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I mean all that was true before except we thought they had taken up apparition binding, consensual runic necromancy or something. The fact that the core of the issue is other runesmiths slandering them to make themselves look better means the starting position of such a potential fall isn't already halfway down the slippery slope.
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- Germany
2 major purposes I can see.
1. You are surrounded by foes, blow a hole in their formation and get away before the rest of them can see anything but the afterimage of the fire again.
2. A particularly dangerous enemy stands ahead of you and you propably can't assassinate him without notice, use Dragonbreath to make him not be there anymore.
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Uh oh. That's some trouble right there.
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- Finland
And if both Empire and the dwarves get hit by a threat at the same time?
Let's not exaggerate the power of the empire, or underestimate the importance of the runelords.
I don't see the destruction as likely, but it is possible.
I'd rather get Thorek get to work on influencing the next generation of Runelords, instead of just chucking out the old and potentially risking the whole Karaz Ankor.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
On the plan front I think this new information makes it less of a problem to hire rune smiths but I want to hire Azul runesmiths given that you know the other kind are likely to be in hot water with Karak Dum.
If Borek gets super lucky and gets what he wants (that Karak Dum is in one piece) it's literally not in our hands, if we evacuate Karak Dum and there are any runesmiths left then those guys will be tossed out regardless and taking the orange. Thorek himself will do it. He literally said as much, if he knew enough details to actually know who to level accusations at he himself said he would tear the guild apart.
If Borek gets super lucky and gets what he wants (that Karak Dum is in one piece) it's literally not in our hands, if we evacuate Karak Dum and there are any runesmiths left then those guys will be tossed out regardless and taking the orange. Thorek himself will do it. He literally said as much, if he knew enough details to actually know who to level accusations at he himself said he would tear the guild apart.
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If the Colleges didn't require that sort of testing to be restricted to the testing field, Mathilde could have sneezed a tree down.
Seconded. Improving quality has a longer way to go, because the sailors are in the end just part timer fighters in no armor, with an axe. We'd be probably buying more guns and better weapons for that, as well as probably upping pay and downtime training.
Improving quantity is riskier, because ships and marines need paying, and that means we'd have created an incentive to USE them, once the Marienburg situation fades, and theres not a lot of good ways without going into mercenary work(which is fine, but a cumulative risk factor).
A little more complex at the finish.
Okay. So assuming I've understood this correctly, the Karag Dum runesmiths started getting a bit arrogant about themselves, and then started making claims that at the time were a little hard for the rest of the Karak Ankor to swallow. Because of that, the rest of the runesmiths ignored their claims in an attempt to chastise some humility into them, only to end up with huge amounts of egg on their faces when it turns out the KD runesmiths not only weren't exaggerating, they were dead on and their warnings might have saved huge numbers of dwarven lives if they'd been listened to. In an attempt to save face and shift the blame away from themselves, the more vocal members of the anti-KD brigade have been engaging in a smear campaign against KD ever since.
Does that sound about right?
At the end you have a few crude blocs:
-The ultra traditionalists who disliked Karag Dum to begin with, would have little difficulty doublethinking themselves into this.
-Those who feel guilty, but suppress the guilt because even if they want to take the orange, it'd mean that all their fellows would have to acknowledge said guilt and join them. It'd destroy the Karaz Ankor.
-Those who are too young to know better and emulate their elders.
--To compound things, learning the truth would have no small number of the younger Runesmiths overreact to their offense in ignorance as well.
It's a bomb waiting to blow.
Yes and with the caveat that if Mathilde ever found any sort of evidence that clears Karak Dum of its Chaos-y nature — the ones that at the least exonerate them from being more than kick-flipping Runemasters before KD falls — and hand the evidences them to Thorek, well... suffice to say, it's a raising hell scenario.
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- Spain
For the guys who are doing the recruiting, I suggest you to try to hire some Ogre Mercenaries.
In the expedition, forces are comprised of Rangers, Slayers, and Engineers, and we have recruited wizards and a Knightly order BUT we are severely lacking heavy infantry, which once we enter the damned Karag will be essential...
So let´s hire ogres fo fill that essential niche, they can keep up with the rhythm of the expedition, they are extremely resistant to Chaos, strong, though and expendable...
In the expedition, forces are comprised of Rangers, Slayers, and Engineers, and we have recruited wizards and a Knightly order BUT we are severely lacking heavy infantry, which once we enter the damned Karag will be essential...
So let´s hire ogres fo fill that essential niche, they can keep up with the rhythm of the expedition, they are extremely resistant to Chaos, strong, though and expendable...
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
We didn't just blow it up, we reduced it and its root system to a cloud of supersonic burning splinters. And also turned the ground around it to glass so rapidly and with so much force it outright shattered in the process. That's... a lot of heat and fire at once.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Can we justify asking Belegar for permission to invite surviving Karag Dum Runelords to set up shop at K8P? If the muttering from the Karaz Ankor's Runelord community is loud enough for Gunnars to have heard of it it's probably justifiable that we'd want Belegar to sign off on, say, Gotri-level Radicality, but more than that I'm not sure we could get away with given our oath to keep what we learned under wraps.
Like, my impression of the scale of effect was that if we had used it to assassinate the goblin warboss back then there wouldn't have been any pursuit, because the goblin would have exploded along with his personal guard and his room would have been shredded by high velocity warboss shrapnel
At the end of the day Runelords are the equivalent of Battlemages, useful reliable battle mages who are really good at making enchantments, but not essential to the dwarf army roster anymore than the Empire would collapse if it would no longer be able to field battle mages. Now if Karaz Ankor somehow lost all runesmiths they would be dead since they need the rune of Valaya for so many things, but that is not what is at stake here.
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- England
For dragons breath does the liquid going in affect the strength. Such as drinks with differing alcohol content or AV.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
If something is powerful enough (and correctly positioned) to be threatening both the Karaz Ankor and the Empire, it's most likely a full blown Chaos Invasion and half a dozen Runelords would be nice, but are probably not gonna make the difference between defeat and victory.
Runesmith Guild Business. It'd be dangerous for Belegar to step into that. Better to let Thorek take the lead...and I'm FAIRLY sure Kragg may have been in the disapproving voices of yore so...
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I don't wanna touch that with a 11' pole.
If they are alive, we uh, let things play out.
If they are dead, we let things play out.
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Any of you guys have that uncle or cousin who super disdainful and judgemental and you dread having to deal with for holidays? Imagine your a dwarf and you've been dealing with that shitty Uncle for 900 years, and he's trying to convince you the market about to collapse and you should liquidate your stock. Do you listen, or not listen? Even if he's right, that doesn't mean you not listening is foolish.
Granted I find is rather shameful that they are still discrediting Karak Dum's runesmiths after they've all likely died. You'd think they'd be at least a bit conciliatory given that their(Dum's) prediction was right, but I can understand the initial skepticism.
Granted I find is rather shameful that they are still discrediting Karak Dum's runesmiths after they've all likely died. You'd think they'd be at least a bit conciliatory given that their(Dum's) prediction was right, but I can understand the initial skepticism.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
No kidding. Let's put it this way: You know what kinds of modern weapons systems vitrify earth like this? Not flamethrowers. Not normal incendiaries. Not even the good incendiaries. Vitrified earth is what you get in the fireball radius of a low-altitude nuclear airburst. That's how hot and energetic this is. Don't think of it as a small fireball or a flamethrower. We asked for a nuke and we got a nuke.
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- Finland
And that will be out of our hands.
I'm just saying we should be hoping that the runelords do not collectively decide to go slayer, because that is a terrible situation for dwarves to be in.
Even if it would be the proper dwarven thing to do.
This seems important!
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Drinking the magic liquid that expands into a cloud of gas, and use it in a spell, where 7/8ths of it will probably become Dhar seems like a terrible idea.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I say we back what ever Thorek would think is right. Unlike Kragg, Thorek has made political understanding part of his skill set so he's best placed to understand the further reaching consequences of doing what he almost certainly intends.
Also just thinking, would Thorek be interested in going to Karak Dum given the primer he gave us? It feels like that could be a natural jumping off point to trying to invite him.
Also just thinking, would Thorek be interested in going to Karak Dum given the primer he gave us? It feels like that could be a natural jumping off point to trying to invite him.