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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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chocolote12 said:
Do you really think they're going to take a Magic Seven Wizard (eight, if we get our staff) with Master Swordsmanship and an enchanted greatsword and tell her 'well, you were pretty great, thanks for coming, don't come back' if we don't blow it out of the park? The way you build up the fastest amount of elf reputation is by being around them and doing things. Three solid B missions are worth a lot more than a single 100%, and they have the benefit that you actually got to play three missions, rather than obsessively preparing for one.

If we take the same amount of time to reach the level of mastery we'd prefer either way, but one is spent preparing at home to make a good impression and the other is learning on the job while getting things done, one will always sound more entertaining to me. I'm fine with self-improvement actions, but I'm not okay with boring choices anymore, and that's what this compulsion to grind feels like it's becoming.
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I'm in this category, I not going 'we need to go now now now!' but just start getting ready, and if we don't get everything planed done... well, cant spend the whole thing planing.


Like we had this conversation before and it was... not decided, that's not how these things work, but it was pointed out that the stuff and new robe was the only 'have to have's' left, and the rest is 'would like to have' but can go if we get a good time.
 
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@10moorem II A few quibbles:
You seem to randomly switch between first and second person narrative.
Humans are called "Umgi" in Khazalid. Undumgi are specifically the organization of human soldiers that stayed and are now under the command of Francesco Cavallero. Current convention is that Zhuforki (Wizards) are not part of the Undumgi.
The reaction to "the Burning Shadows thing" and the players voting on actually letting Mathilde build it should be two separate chapters. If one wants to faithfully preserve the exact same narrative as in BoneyM's quest then the players would react to it after Belegar reads Mathilde's written report and vote on it just before this scene.
 
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chocolote12 said:
Do you really think they're going to take a Magic Seven Wizard (eight, if we get our staff) with Master Swordsmanship and an enchanted greatsword and tell her 'well, you were pretty great, thanks for coming, don't come back' if we don't blow it out of the park?
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Yes. Or at least offer a lot less. It's illegal for humans to be on Ulthuan outside Lothern, and that usually applies even to the likes of the greatest human spellcasters such as the Supreme Patriarch.
 
chocolote12 said:
If we take the same amount of time to reach the level of mastery we'd prefer either way, but one is spent preparing at home to make a good impression and the other is learning on the job while getting things done, one will always sound more entertaining to me. I'm fine with self-improvement actions, but I'm not okay with boring choices anymore, and that's what this compulsion to grind feels like it's becoming.
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Sure, but like, we won't reach the level of mastery we'd prefer either way? I find it unlikely that we spontaneously develop Branulhune style mid-combat or tame our arcane marks without putting the (AP) work in.

Besides, the bread and butter of this quest is our role as an adviser for Belegar, and we're still going to be doing Loremaster things regardless of when we visit the Elves. Presumably, next turn will not be a softball single AP transition assignment, but rather an interesting project in its own right, so it's not like we, the players, will be lacking interesting content in the Old World. The self-improvement actions are things we take care of on the side, not the main focus of the quest, and the Old World is hardly out of interesting things for Boney to throw at us if we forget that. It's been all of two turns since we fought in a full-scale war.

And if we really just want to swing our sword at something, there's always more vampires to murder. Or we could visit Karak Drazh if we wanted something with a higher CR, Birdmuncha's still out there somewhere.
 
Alratan said:
Yes. Or at least offer a lot less. It's illegal for humans to be on Ulthuan outside Lothern, and that usually applies even to the likes of the greatest human spellcasters such as the Supreme Patriarch.
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You know that's a rule they're already bypassing, right? They're not even hiding it, we're cleared to go through the border guards.
 
@chocolote12

I know you said we are a Wizard with Magic 7, but I just checked and we're apparently Magic 8. Kinda surprised me, even though I feel like it's been there for a while.
 
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chocolote12 said:
... How long have we been at magic eight?
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I don't have the slightest idea. I could've sworn it was seven last time I checked, but my gut says it's not new. Is someone here playing with a time machine?

Jyn Ryvia said:
we were 7 at the time of the offer.
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Irrelevant. The argument was that the Elves wouldn't tell a Swordmaster Shadowmancer +7 to get lost, but if we're in the position that allows them to make a decision on the matter, then they must have met us again, and know we're a Swordmaster Shadowmancer +8.
 
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chocolote12 said:
You know that's a rule they're already bypassing, right? They're not even hiding it, we're cleared to go through the border guards.
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Yes, we earned a one off exception. We need to now live up to that.

Personally I think that means getting our Intrigue skills properly up to par and getting heroic (25+) Intrigue and Martial.
 
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Alratan said:
Yes, we earned a one off exception. We need to now live up to that.
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By capturing one guy alive. We didn't swordfight Malekith, we displayed basic competence in the field. They'll keep us around if we're worth a single elven soldier, because they're short on those and every one counts.

That we're a powerful magical combatant blinged out with runic gear is pure icing on the cake.
 
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chocolote12 said:
By capturing one guy alive. We didn't swordfight Malekith, we displayed basic competence in the field. They'll keep us around if we're worth a single elven soldier, because they're short on those and every one counts.
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It's less that we displayed competence and more that as far as the elves are concerned it is not out of the realm of possibility that Mathilde is competent. For all the elf ambassador knew we could have tripped over that guy while he was out cold from doing the wrong Druchi drugs or had him trussed up by dwarf rangers, but being handed a Druchi to have fun with during a boring assignment put him in a good enough mood to give us a chance.
 
You guys might want to check the update that had us hand the prisoner over. The dark elf himself did not impress the ambassador. What pleased him was, from what I can tell, us telling him that the prisoner hadn't been interrogated yet.

We really do need to get our Marks and Sword reigned in before we go, if we actually want to benefit from the excursion, but the offer itself appears to have been extended due to us realizing Ulthuan would have much more use of the prisoner's knowledge, and perhaps because we respected Elven secrets enough to let them keep those. Wisdom and subtlety, more than strength.

Or course, wisdom and subtlety in this case would be getting stronk and putting our Marks and Sword under control, so as to not humiliate ourselves and the Colleges, and to expand our list of non-human friends.
 
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so in other news. what do you guys think are the odds on the runesmith roulette is?

50% kragg= forum fav and sort of, kind of, thinks we will one day be not annoying. ( the highest of praise) but is busy with Bok.

40% Thorek = in need of a way to one-up Kragg, interesting character the GM has not got to use much. but we don't have much of a non-working relationship.

10% Darkhorse = one of Thork apprentices (so a master in their own right) who got fed up and wants to strike out on their own.

I'm putting 50 internet cookies on Thork!
 
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Introducing, the thread madnesser 3000

It skips several steps of thread madness, in order to distill it and maximize thread madness potential.

As my first experiment, I'll set it to 10, meaning that it'll attempt to go 10 levels of thread madness beyond the current one.

bzzzzzt zvvvvm

And that is why it is optimal to take Kragg and eat him.

booom

Ummm.... technical difficulties... it seems the poor machine couldn't handle that much... should have put it on 5.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
so in other news. what do you guys think are the odds on the runesmith roulette is?

50% kragg= forum fav and sort of, kind of, thinks we will one day be not annoying. ( the highest of praise) but is busy with Bok.

40% Thork = in need of a way to one-up Kragg, interesting character the GM has not got to use much. but we don't have much of a non-working relationship.

10% Darkhorse = one of Thork apprentices (so a master in their own right) who got fed up and wants to strike out on their own.

I'm putting 50 internet cookies on Thork!
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Thorek, not "Thork".
 
storryeater said:
Introducing, the thread madnesser 3000

It skips several steps of thread madness, in order to distill it and maximize thread madness potential.

As my first experiment, I'll set it to 10, meaning that it'll attempt to go 10 levels of thread madness beyond the current one.

bzzzzzt zvvvvm

And that is why it is optimal to take Kragg and eat him.

booom

Ummm.... technical difficulties... it seems the poor machine couldn't handle that much... should have put it on 5.
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definitely faulty, explaining why its a good idea to eat Kragg is a level 4 at best.
 
DragonParadox said:
It's less that we displayed competence and more that as far as the elves are concerned it is not out of the realm of possibility that Mathilde is competent.
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I think the thread has a massively overblown idea of the competence of the average elf.
storryeater said:
And that is why it is optimal to take Kragg and eat him.
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Is it weird that I can recognize the context for this even though you just made it up?
 
storryeater said:
Introducing, the thread madnesser 3000

It skips several steps of thread madness, in order to distill it and maximize thread madness potential.

As my first experiment, I'll set it to 10, meaning that it'll attempt to go 10 levels of thread madness beyond the current one.

bzzzzzt zvvvvm

And that is why it is optimal to take Kragg and eat him.

booom

Ummm.... technical difficulties... it seems the poor machine couldn't handle that much... should have put it on 5.
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Well, it's absolutely true that the best way to evacuate Kragg once we've turned into a dragon is to store him inside, where he's nice and protected. Gotta take care of the elderly.
 
chocolote12 said:
I think the thread has a massively overblown idea of the competence of the average elf.

Is it weird that I can recognize the context for this even though you just made it up?
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We do not need to match the average elf, or even the average Shadow Warrior, we need to surpass the latter to where the presence of our human self with all the a bureaucratic complication of a human out of bounds, is worth the trouble to the people in charge.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
definitely faulty, explaining why its a good idea to eat Kragg is a level 4 at best.
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chocolote12 said:
I think the thread has a massively overblown idea of the competence of the average elf.

Is it weird that I can recognize the context for this even though you just made it up?
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BurnNote said:
Well, it's absolutely true that the best way to evacuate Kragg once we've turned into a dragon is to store him inside, where he's nice and protected. Gotta take care of the elderly.
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Ah, I see, ze machine exploded becauz it waz impozzible to go beyond ze level of thread madnezz allready exhibited. Interezting
 
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