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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The fact people are just assuming that what Cadaeth implied to be the case is true is rather astounding. There is about as much evidence for both theories (that the Asur are taking the magic both because otherwise daemons and because they want it and don't trust humanity, and that they're just powering the Vortex with it and it's a good thing).

And because I know someone will question this, yes it is being implied, it's not definitively canon (at least not yet):
BoneyM said:
Complicating matters, based on half-remembered extremely basic lessons when she was an Apprentice, the left model is what the Colleges believe and the Ulthuan says is going on, while the right model is what Cadaeth's words seem to be implying. This might get ugly.
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Emphasis mine.
 
Guile said:
'The GM is inhuman', the people whisper. 'He can't understand the people.'

'The GM has no heart.'
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Worse : the perfect QM is a perfect writer in every way. Their stuff is just divine. But the players aren't perfect, and this makes the QM sad... And so whenever the thread turns toxic overnight, the QM neatly but briskly ends the quest and everyone is left desperately wanting new chapters that will never come.
 
I doubt that anyone is going 'kill all elves' or 'punish all elves' with anything approaching serious intent. Okay, so they may have misrepresented things a little when it comes to waystone network. That's dickish if it's true, but unless they're completely lying about its purpose not worth getting seriously upset about; the empire's in no position to make use of the energy anyway, and likely won't be for centuries at minimum. At most, they just owe us some back payments.

And even if they are lying completely... well, in that case the upset should be focused on the elves that did the misleading, not the elves as a whole.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
Emphasis mine.
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I took that as Mathilde was probably on tilt, like when she was blaming specifically the elves for not caring about the peasants while glossing over that Nordland didn't give a damn about them either and was using them as a catspaw. Basically the conversation has her off balance. There might be some dwarven prejudice seeped into her mental makeup as well coloring how she views things.

Because generally I don't see that it makes much sense that it would get ugly, if one civ has the tech to run infrastructure off a renewable resource and the other doesn't...? Well too bad for the one that doesn't, but it's not like the elves are going to the empire and carting away all their oil or something. The winds are constantly blowing and when the Empire does tech up to being able to establish their own siphons there will be plenty of magic available for them to do so.
 
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Thing is, magic is dangerous, especially so for humans.
In a way, the elves are doing humans of the empire a favor in siphoning away the thing that occasionally makes them explode in demons.
Yes, there is some hyperbole being used.
But basicly while stronger winds of magic might be nice for wizards who have the gift and training to deal with them, for everyone else they just cause trouble.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
I took that as Mathilde was probably on tilt, like when she was blaming specifically the elves for not caring about the peasants while glossing over that Nordland didn't give a damn about them either and was using them as a catspaw. Basically the conversation has her off balance. There might be some dwarven prejudice seeped into her mental makeup as well coloring how she views things.
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Mathilde is used to talking to dwarves, not elves or forests!

Dwarves wear clothes!
 
It seems like to me the bigger complication with the idea that the high elves are routing magic away from the main land to their island would not be with the empire; it would be with the dwarves. We know their civilization was being slowly choked to death until K8P came back online. I don't think it would be possible for dwarves to tap into this same source of magical energy, but if it was possible that could very well be a flash point.

One last thought on the high elves thing. What good would that energy do the empire anyways? It seems like there is a general struggle to keep up with the existing ambient magic let alone what is getting piped away.
 
Omegahugger said:
Mathilde is used to talking to dwarves, not elves or forests!

Dwarves wear clothes!
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I thought the conceit was that anything less than chainmail was risqué?

Bigger question: do we want to establish a working relationship with these elves before or after we head for our shadow-assasin apprenticeship?

What are the implications of doing one before the other, assuming that we pick up at least some of the intra-elf attitudes based on where we start with? Would waystone work before we head to Ulathan change our reception and likely assignments?
 
Glau said:
I thought the conceit was that anything less than chainmail was risqué?

Bigger question: do we want to establish a working relationship with these elves before or after we head for our shadow-assasin apprenticeship?

What are the implications of doing one before the other, assuming that we pick up at least some of the intra-elf attitudes based on where we start with? Would waystone work before we head to Ulathan change our reception and likely assignments?
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I'm not sure if we would be able to complete our shadow-assassin apprenticeship before establishing a working relationship with the Eonir to be honest, what with how urgent the Waystone project seems to be.

Well, not urgent urgent, they're elves, they're probably happy to wait a few years, and the Waystones are hardly going anywhere, but they're probably expecting us to pass the message along and even if slowly you would expect the diplomacy to be happening.

If we went and left even right now I feel by the time we got back we would be at best late to the party, not to mention the impression we would give those involved on our opinion on the project.

On the other hand, I'm sure we can prepare this and prepare for the apprenticeship thing at the same time, and once it's stable go do it and noone would view it as a big deal. Again, they're elves, taking a holiday for however long the apprenticeship was meant to be would probably not be a big deal, although it might cost influence in the project itself.

As for what influence the project and even what has already happened with K8P would have on our time in Ulthuan, I suspect only Boney and Ranald know the answer to that.
 
Glau said:
I thought the conceit was that anything less than chainmail was risqué?

Bigger question: do we want to establish a working relationship with these elves before or after we head for our shadow-assasin apprenticeship?

What are the implications of doing one before the other, assuming that we pick up at least some of the intra-elf attitudes based on where we start with? Would waystone work before we head to Ulathan change our reception and likely assignments?
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I would think we should do the trip before the waystone, let's remember that we actually don't have a clue about waystones. The elves just made an assumption. We are going to have to cram like crazy with the dwarves before we can even take them up on the project.
 
Guile said:
'The GM is inhuman', the people whisper. 'He can't understand the people.'

'The GM has no heart.'
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Nah, the GM has too many hearts. A few are kept in jars, for spares.

As far as the waystones routing magic to the Vortex, and possibly having Ulthuan tap into that... was human civilization a thing when that was set up? Also, the implications I have seen are that draining magic is essential, and so people are getting all hot under the collar about the Asur *possibly* not having shared the equivalent of setting up waterwheels in a series of flood-drainage canals.

People are weird.
 
What is with all the elf hate? or dislike? Maybe I am just imagining it.
Yes, they are arrogant. Yes they think that they are better than everyone else and so on and so forth.
In the end they are not one yotta worse than dwarves and humans.

I can even imagine that if twenty first century human were to arrive, they would be just as arrogant as they try to change the world to their liking, save the world from chaos and then continue on to blow up the world in nuclear fire.

Ah.... Sorry forget I write anything. I just feel like people complaining about elves, while looking into a mirror.
 
Lightwhispers said:
As far as the waystones routing magic to the Vortex, and possibly having Ulthuan tap into that... was human civilization a thing when that was set up?
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This was about -2000 IC. In the Old World specifically, there was a city called Tylos inhabited by humans said to be ancestors to the Tileans near that time period, but it fell and became Skavenblight and Tileans weren't recorded again until -700. Apart from that, Nehekhara was going strong at the time, as were various polities in Araby and the East. The tribes that would become the Empire and Bretonnia arrived in the Old World around -500.
 
Lightwhispers said:
Nah, the GM has too many hearts. A few are kept in jars, for spares.

As far as the waystones routing magic to the Vortex, and possibly having Ulthuan tap into that... was human civilization a thing when that was set up? Also, the implications I have seen are that draining magic is essential, and so people are getting all hot under the collar about the Asur *possibly* not having shared the equivalent of setting up waterwheels in a series of flood-drainage canals.

People are weird.
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People are misunderstanding the BoneyM comment on it.

occ: we know about the great vortex and how important it is to keeping the dark gods out. We know that the high elves are doing a good thing.

Mathy and the empire don't, at least not fully ( because elves don't explain shit.) so Mathy went: "wait... are they stealing our shit?"

from Mathilde POV it looks like the elves are just taking magic and not saying why or that they are doing so.
 
BoneyM said:
This was about -2000 IC. In the Old World specifically, there was a city called Tylos inhabited by humans said to be ancestors to the Tileans near that time period, but it fell and became Skavenblight and Tileans weren't recorded again until -700. Apart from that, Nehekhara was going strong at the time, as were various polities in Araby and the East. The tribes that would become the Empire and Bretonnia arrived in the Old World around -500.
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I imagine the Ungols and Roppsmen were probably living up in what would be Kislev, though the Gospodar were still a few millennia away from arriving.
 
Honestly, worse than the perceived anything-hate is the weird counter dogpiling on the idea of the hate that everybody seems to do. Nobody's been hating on the elves that much, as far as I could see.

The thread knows why the great vortex exists, and nobody wants to genocide the high elves for having the gall to do something with the daemon stuff they keep from building up in people's very vulnerable houses. We just want in on some of that now, because we think we can use it.
 
Something to keep in mind that despite the growing industrial revolution, the Empire's laws and morals are still feudal, and the characters will tend to display a lack of flexibility when it comes to things like land rights. On my land = mine, even when it comes to the demon juice I've got no idea how to use and is actively harmful to me.
 
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BoneyM said:
Something to keep in mind that despite the growing industrial revolution, the Empire's laws and morals are still feudal, and the characters will tend to display a lack of flexibility when it comes to things like land rights. On my land = mine, even when it comes to the demon juice I've got no idea how to use and is actively harmful to me.
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It's ours by Divine Providence! What wizard even has the credentials to challenge such a claim? A wizard distinguished in the eyes of a god, scoff what unholiness.
 
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Vanguard_D said:
We need a statement for a schism that never happened?

It has been hammered, repeatedly that the Eonir aint the Asrai and have never been part of the Asrai. So why would they sign something like that? It is like asking USA for a written statement that they never been part of Mexico.
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So only 44 states could do that honestly. Lol. Poor confused Alta California.
 
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