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That would work too, but it's slow.
Funnier when suddenly everyone in the empire knows it through pure divine revelation.
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Funnier when suddenly everyone in the empire knows it through pure divine revelation.
chocolote12
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I don't think this argument is convincing, because we already did something cooler than that. We helped him mug Mork. We stuck his hands in another god's pocket. He pulled out enough cash that he was rolling with a bonus. Then we built an entire temple on the spot because we decided that it was a holy place.
Like, 'we should study the coin'? It's our fault it exists! We've already done enough to be recognized. If we want him to mention us the trait just codifies it.
One does not preclude the other. The most Ranald way to make it known would be to have Mathilde kill something super nasty while using the protector coin.
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So I hope doing a reference like this isn't frowned upon, but...
The more I think about it, the more Kaiji would be the optimal Ranald worshipper when all is said and done.
The more I think about it, the more Kaiji would be the optimal Ranald worshipper when all is said and done.
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Oh! High priest of Soden.
Soden is bad civ. We should puch him and mug his resources (shrines) so they can be used to empower Ranald in his aspect as "Warp God of Neighborhood Watches"
We have gone deep into the thread madness, and the only other topic is to argue about: "Ranald, does the god who is explicitly in favour of protecting the weak and opressed actually be in favour of doing so? The answer my surprise you".
What media is this Kaiji person in?
Does it promote wholesome themes of justice and compassion and freedom?
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And how does that make Mathilde the saint of Ranald?
She's killed plenty of nasties, including a vampire, and the coin is subtle enough to be completely unseen.
To become saint Mathilde would need to do something way beyond anything she has done before.
chocolote12
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No, she already mugged Mork, she's done. She just needs to put the PR time in, because deeds only matter if everybody talks about them.
Another reason to take the beatify trait: It the perfect road to making Mathilde take part in the Grand Conclave as Ranald's envoy, and that's all sorts of funny.
Kaiji is a manga or anime about the protagonist Kaiji gambling. Just google the name.
Incidentally, Khajiit would also be good worshipers, on account of being merchant cat people with a reputation for stealing
I doubt a high priest of Soden is nasty enough to trigger the protection aspect for the whole empire. You'd need something like a really nasty Waagh boss, a very powerful chaos champion, or some other existential threat.
Kaiji is a manga or anime about the protagonist Kaiji gambling. Just google the name.
Incidentally, Khajiit would also be good worshipers, on account of being merchant cat people with a reputation for stealing
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No, Ranald mugged Mork, with Mathilde acting as a distraction.
And yeah, that would be totally sainthood material, if anyone knew of it.
My problem is not that Mathilde does things, she has, she'd totally fit as a Ranaldian Saint, but that so few know about the stuff, or the Ranald part atleast.
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Well... I thought about PMing you, but since I brought it up, and others may want to know, I'll spoilertext it
Kaiji is the protagonist of a japanese adult comic (or a seinen manga, as some purists would prefer to call it). He is a man that engages on high stakes gambles. What sets him apart from other similar manga is that he is not a mastermind, but a thrillseeker who just wants to get rich.
The reason I am saying he would be the ideal Ranald worshipper is because he embodies all 4 of his aspects.
The gambler is the most obvious because he is a thrill-seeking gambler who really relies on the vagaries of fate a lot. Indeed, his games have so many up and downs and back and forths, that I bet they would please Ranald greatly, as the winner and the loser constantly change, and nothing is assured.
The night prowler is the least obvious, but solely because it requires knowledge of the current arc. Suffice to say, he can dodge a country wide pursuit adequately.
The deceiver is also quite obvious. He can bluff like the devil when the chips are down. (although he is on the receiving end just as often...)
Finally, the protector is what makes him likable. While he may sometimes act like a jerk to others, he is kind-hearted to those weaker than him, those caught in a spiral of bad luck without deserving and to his accomplices, and often tries to help them, to varying success and almost always to his detriment. He has yet to manage any huge institutional change though.
The reason I am saying he would be the ideal Ranald worshipper is because he embodies all 4 of his aspects.
The gambler is the most obvious because he is a thrill-seeking gambler who really relies on the vagaries of fate a lot. Indeed, his games have so many up and downs and back and forths, that I bet they would please Ranald greatly, as the winner and the loser constantly change, and nothing is assured.
The night prowler is the least obvious, but solely because it requires knowledge of the current arc. Suffice to say, he can dodge a country wide pursuit adequately.
The deceiver is also quite obvious. He can bluff like the devil when the chips are down. (although he is on the receiving end just as often...)
Finally, the protector is what makes him likable. While he may sometimes act like a jerk to others, he is kind-hearted to those weaker than him, those caught in a spiral of bad luck without deserving and to his accomplices, and often tries to help them, to varying success and almost always to his detriment. He has yet to manage any huge institutional change though.
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Ranald has bragged about Mork/Mathilde to at least one person.
Mathilde has told two more (Kragg, Belegar) and Gunnars was brought in as well.
Who knows how many those have told in turn.
Or how many more Ranald told.
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Huh, I wonder. The emperor and the Patriarchy had a valid reason to keep knowledge of the full scale of what we did out of public view when we defeated the entire College of Necromancy.
I also recall some thoughts about how it was a shame we didn't have the Protector active then. @BoneyM if you're willing to answer this, would the coin cause the knowledge of the entirety of our deeds to spread with full negative implications for college PR or can we assume Ranald would have taken care of that in some way?
I also recall some thoughts about how it was a shame we didn't have the Protector active then. @BoneyM if you're willing to answer this, would the coin cause the knowledge of the entirety of our deeds to spread with full negative implications for college PR or can we assume Ranald would have taken care of that in some way?
To become an officially recognized saint or "venerated soul" is to be unanimously declared as such by the grand conclave. Since they agree just about never, the only way to get there if all the normal people really want it. Now, the best/fastest way to reach that point is to don the protector coin, and kill something so nasty it's a serious thread to the whole empire. Examples would be a Waaagh boss on the level of Grom, an Everchoosen or at least a truly powerful Chaos Champion, a vampire like Vlad von Carstein, or something else along those lines.
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We know at least the leadership and relevant experts of Karaz a Karak know about it. Belegar mentioned personally writing a letter about it to the High King.
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And everyone of the will keep their mouths shut.
Because dwarves.
And Heidi will keep her mouth shut for some pretty obvious reasons.
Again, the problem with Mathilde becomming a saint is that she be her very nature is not public about the stuff she does, and even less so of her relationship with Ranald.
So something needs to go wrong (from Mathildes pov) for her to become a saint.
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Grand Theogonist: "Ranald's priests have not been permitted to participate in the Grand Conclave!"
Mathilde: "Well, yeah. If we were allowed, you'd never see us anywhere near the Conclave."
Grand Theogonist: "Fine! I move that the priests of Ranald be formally invited to participate in the Grand Conclave!"
Ar-Ulric: "I second the motion."
Grand Theogonist: "Wait, what?"
*motion passes because the Grand Theogonist and Ar-Ulric are actually agreeing on something for once*
Mathilde: "Well, my work here is done."
*Mathilde vanishes*
Grand Theogonist: "What just happened!?"
Ar-Ulric: "I got introduced to Bugman's Best is what happened."
chocolote12
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They're synonymous; she was there, she got the T-shirt. Her peers amongst the higher echelons of Ranaldians include some dude who stole a kiss from an empress and got hanged for it and a cool cat burgler type.
The rest, as I think we're agreeing (?), is PR work.
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Yes, Mathilde would be pretty much a shooing for sainthood.
But nobody (outside a handful of dwarves and a very circumspect empress) knows about the stuff she did.
So i am very curious just what the practical path for her to become known as a saint would be.
Heidi won't talk, dwarves won't talk, grey college will definitely not talk (if they ever learn of it and choose not to knife Mathilde out of excessive caution), Mathilde sure as warp won't talk...
So other than Ranald going all out on PR, i'm not sure how it would happen in story.
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Or she needs to take active efforts to ensure that she's well-known or at least a persona of hers is. I wouldn't be averse to doing acts which personify both Ranald and Shallya with the Protector to become a Saint of both. I suspect Mathilde might be gleeful about bringing her version of their story into popular religion.
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I don't really see Mathilde going for that, and not just because of the time commitment and how busy she already is.
chocolote12
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We're Mathilde, and I'd go for it if the option ever got on our list. People thinking we're cool and Shallya giving us youth blessings are things I am enthusiastic for.
As a wizard Mathilde's lifespan is already extended by the magic coursing through her soul. She does not need the youth blessing.
chocolote12
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Not dying of old age doesn't mean she'll stay young and pretty, otherwise wizards wouldn't manage such glorious beards. Besides, extra years of life can never hurt.
Call it a vanity thing.
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Yes, and MAthilde suddenly going "HEY LOOK AT ME!" Feels like a move away from established character.
Not impossible. We could vote for that. But i don't see it happening, largely due to AP stuff, but also potential downsides of getting bad rolls while doing so.
Picking a trait and then shit just happening without Mathilde wanting it, that's different.
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She does not need it for another 20+ years at least.
If we survive another 40 turns, we can reconsider it.
