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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Prospalz said:
Vortex spells are typically fluffed as being absolute instant death for anything that did not manage to dodge.

Such is the nature of the weaponized dimension shift quite a few of the vortex spells are.

In TWW vortex spelss sucks against anything that is not a mass of infantry, but fluff honestly does not support anyone being able to stand under purple sun of xerxes for the full duration of the spell and take only ping damage as a result. Dragon, ballista, warriors of chaos, Tyrion, whatever, vortex spell does not care.
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Good to know. In that case I'd quite like to learn Pit of Shades, as that's always been one of my favorite pieces of Battle Magic.
 
Dracikral said:
You know I'm kinda curious. I know there have been mentions of getting bound battle Magic's but that makes me think how exactly would it happen? We know that getting battle magic is a trial in of itself and outside of Battle Wizards, Wizard Lords and Patriarchs there probably aren't more than a dozen magister that know more than one piece of battle magic. And IIRC you need to know the spell in order to enchant it into an item along with a pretty high enchanting level. So what I'm wondering is are there that many high level enchanters that know battle magic that we can just request an item of bound battle magic, yet the Grey College is short a staff maker?
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Staff making is boring repetitive work. No one wants to do it.

Battlemagic items are rare and exciting.

By the way, we already have a battlemagic item - our healing seed is one.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yes, but they would also be useless for our purposes. The goal of getting books about mutants is "to be able to compare what AV does to other forms of mutation." Without insight on the magic behind it, it's not really a worthwhile spend of 100g, I don't think. We want the theory.
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A +2 is a +2. That's how it works with the library books. That line of argument you just used has been used before, to argue that Bretonnian Linguistics wouldn't help with the queekish decoding, but it did. Dwarf books on mutants will help out, just in a different way to Imperial books. (That books help in different ways is the basis for why their bonuses stack instead of make each other redundant.)
 
[X] Plan Present Concerns with Snek
-[X] PROJECT: Queekish
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
-[X] PROJECT: Aethyric Vitae
 
SurpriseMe said:
Haven't caught up, but I just realized the implications of this. The head Sigmarite went and complained that a dwarf hold was getting weapons to defend itself instead of those weapons being used to intimidate other humans. Truly the worst head of the worst church.
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Okay, something's up. There's no way in hell that the leader of the Cult of Sigmar could go that far against his religion's precepts without invoking mass condemnation and mutiny from much of the rank and file of the church - and even if he was Dieter levels of incompetent, his advisors should be able to steer him away from such egregious displays of stupidity.

Based on what Kasmir said, it sounds like much of the top echelons of the church are filled with faithless politicians, which doesn't strike me as the standard state of affairs in a setting where divine intervention is so easily obtained and proven.

We're not the ones to investigate this, obviously - that's more something for Kasmir and Roswita to set their eyes on after Sylvania - but this is something more than rank incompetence. I suspect the Grand Theogonist is either the puppet of hostile powers or actively in league with them.
 
Kornet said:
Staff making is boring repetitive work. No one wants to do it.

Battlemagic items are rare and exciting.

By the way, we already have a battlemagic item - our healing seed is one.
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Oh I know we have one already. I'm just wondering if every college has a high level enchanter that knows all the battle magics rather than the Jade College just having one high level enchanter that happened to know Regrowth
 
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X] Plan Present Concerns with Snek
[X][LIBRARY] Skaven - Dwarf Esoteric, Anatomy - Imperial Esoteric, Dragons - Dwarf, Imperial, and Bretonnian Extensive
[x] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X][COLLEGE] Item of Boon of Hysh - 5 College Favor
[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc) and post a 500 gc bounty on Barak Varr/through the EIC for quality dragon bones that would be suitable for staff making and, as a secondary objective, talisman crafting.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Based on what Kasmir said, it sounds like much of the top echelons of the church are filled with faithless politicians, which doesn't strike me as the standard state of affairs in a setting where divine intervention is so easily obtained and proven.
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Sadly, divine intervention is not so easily proven, and it is quite typical of the church. Trust me, it can be worse. Like the ones who want to ban all gods but Sigmar.
 
We should get our marksdwarf pistol an enchantment based on the Amber Spear. Amber Spear ignores armour, goes through ranks, and hits with the strength of a bolt thrower. The boosted version hits with the strength of a cannon. If we buy a version based on the boosted version, we'd basically have an omni-penetrating pocket cannon that does bonus damage to monsters.
 
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X] [TOWER] Complete

[X] Plan Present Concerns
-[X] PROJECT: Queekish
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar

BoneyM said:
Ill-bane, one poison removed and disease halved in severity. Boon of Hysh, all poisons and all diseases removed.
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Dammit, the difference is SOOO worth those two extra favors...

[X][COLLEGE] Item of Boon of Hysh - 5 College Favor

And Guys if Belegar ask us to deal with the Dragon we need as much information about them as possible

[x] [LIBRARY] Dragons and Skaven
-[x] Dragons! Extensive Dwarven, Esoteric Imperial, Extensive Bretonnian 450 gc 4 College favour.
-[x] Skaven Esoteric Dwarven 50 gc 2 Dorf favour
 
Zaratustra said:
Could you elaborate ? I am having a hard time seeing the logic, Substance of Shadows break with any light, it is very good but also situational, any situational, is is either useless or makes the problem a non-insue so I don't see why it would factor it, and again while dispeling is something we are awesome at a situation where we are focused on that isn't one where we would be using Speed of Light, and if dispeling could help during one turn our equipament tend to have it reasonably covered.

My problem with area of effect spells is that they tend to be indiscriminate and we tend to find ourselves in oh shit situation during infiltration so chances to use it that way would be rare, on the other hand I think people forget how ridiculous our sword is, with speed of light we would have almost maximun killiness in a controlable away witch would be more flexible to use.
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I like Substance of Shadow a lot- whether as a getaway or infiltration spell- but I admit it's not the most critical piece. That honor goes to counterspelling.

If you look at our confrontation with Alkharad, you'll notice that he was throwing both spells and physical attacks at us, and Mathilde was using both physical defenses and active magical defenses. Here's the relevant bit, where he uses dhar eye lasers and Mathilde counterspells.
[Mathilde vs Alkharad 4: Learning, 83+26=109 vs 76+34=110]

A moment before it's too late, you spot the stirring of Dhar within the vortex of it that a Vampire resembles to Magesight, and with an effort of will deflect the projectiles that fly from Alkharad's eyes, spinning off into the room behind you...

[Mathilde vs Alkharad 5: Martial, 57+23=80 vs 11+28=39]

...and effortlessly cleave through Vampiric flesh to send the other arm flying, taking the energies of the second spell Alkharad was shaping with it. You look at him as he looks down at himself, and he sighs.
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Now, admittedly if Mathilde is high on hysh she'll be doing a heck of a lot more swording and at least in theory be better able to take down enemies before they can cast more spells at her, as in her second "I counterspell with my sword" bit there, but it seems to me that if we need to call on Speed of Light to take down an enemy, they might well be potent enough that they'll be able to get a spell off in the face of it. And when they do, I want her to be able to smack their spell down so that she can sword them to death, as she did for the first spell. If she's unable to cast she'll also be unable to counterspell, because all Mathilde's magical actions are dependent upon the use of ulgu.

She does have the belt... but as this confrontation again demonstrates, that could very well be expended by the time Mathilde is pushed to the point of burning her emergency battle spell. We can't count on it being available.

As for AoE vs. personal buffs, mostly it comes down to a use case. I feel that Mathilde is already very deadly in combat and turning her from very deadly to absurdly deadly for a short while isn't likely to solve any problems she runs into- generally, they're problems where personal prowess isn't enough to solve them, like "there are literally hundreds of enemies trying to kill you; you can kill one every second and it doesn't matter". In those situations, there's a chance that an AoE can flip the table and give her an opening to succeed in her mission or escape. Likewise, Mathilde can already assassinate most individual targets successfully; Speed of Light would make her even better at 1v1 duels. But a good AoE could open up entire new vistas of targets she could kill out of nowhere, like "the entire enemy warband" or "this small fortress", because again, it fills a niche that she does not currently have available to her.
 
Robotninja said:
Sadly, divine intervention is not so easily proven, and it is quite typical of the church. Trust me, it can be worse. Like the ones who want to ban all gods but Sigmar.
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I'm pretty sure the current Grand Theogonist supports those. Kasmir used to be one, and hammerpope's agenda seems to be "more power to the church of Sigmar at any cost".
 
Redshirt Army said:
We're not the ones to investigate this, obviously - that's more something for Kasmir and Roswita to set their eyes on after Sylvania - but this is something more than rank incompetence. I suspect the Grand Theogonist is either the puppet of hostile powers or actively in league with them.
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I'm not sure if any hints were dropped out of the updates talking about the feud, but to me the whole situation feels like something that started off as a rather trivial issue but neither side would make any concessions so it kept escalating and no one has any perspective anymore.
 
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X] [TOWER] Complete

[X] Plan Alphabetical
-[X] PROJECT: Aethyric Vitae
-[X] PROJECT: Cartographer
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics

[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X] [LIBRARY] Skaven - Dwarf Esoteric, Anatomy - Imperial Esoteric, Dragons - Dwarf Extensive
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X][COLLEGE] No Purchase.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Okay, something's up. There's no way in hell that the leader of the Cult of Sigmar could go that far against his religion's precepts without invoking mass condemnation and mutiny from much of the rank and file of the church - and even if he was Dieter levels of incompetent, his advisors should be able to steer him away from such egregious displays of stupidity.

Based on what Kasmir said, it sounds like much of the top echelons of the church are filled with faithless politicians, which doesn't strike me as the standard state of affairs in a setting where divine intervention is so easily obtained and proven.

We're not the ones to investigate this, obviously - that's more something for Kasmir and Roswita to set their eyes on after Sylvania - but this is something more than rank incompetence. I suspect the Grand Theogonist is either the puppet of hostile powers or actively in league with them.
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"Fuck the Ulricans" is an all-but-official tenet of the Sigmarite faith.
 
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X] [TOWER] Complete

[X] Plan Present Concerns

[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)

[X][COLLEGE] No Purchase
 
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[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X] Plan Present Concerns
[X] Plan Present Concerns With Cartography

Tower's basically done. Hard to say what could be added to it.
Fief is fine. We don't need the money.
I really like this idea of sending Olenus a cask of booze. Whoever thought it up has my appreciation.
Any of these projects is fine. I think we should keep Snekjuice under our hat until we know more. Action economy is a bitch, though.
 
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