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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] The complete destruction of the entirety of Castle Drakenhof.

Tear the dark heart out of Sylvania.

[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.

The ones with the most experience in cannon and sieging fortifications take point. Although the idea of halflings destroying Drakenhof is appealing.

[X] Keep him in reserve for now.

Trump cards need to be reserved for when they are most effective.

[X] Unleash Asarnil on it.

Either he'll get the Elector Countess, or she'll die in the rubble.
 
[X] The complete destruction of the mountain that Castle Drakenhof is built upon.
[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Use him to counter any non-trivial sally attempt or any other counterattack.
[X] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.

I want to make clear here that the only reason I am not choosing to demolish the mountain is because I'm not sure how much ammo we have.
 
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Plan Guns and Counter-Dragons
[X] The complete destruction of the keep of Castle Drakenhof.
[X] The dwarves are better at siege, but not so much on knowing mortal man's limits. Call a war council with the dwarven leaders and the human generals and work out a plan of action. Count on the dwarves to be better at it, but temper it with what the generals know are the limits of their men.
[X] Keep him in reserve for now.
[X] Unleash Asarnil on it.

Let the dwarves plan the action, but don't let them actually command your men. That would be bad. See what can be used from their ideas.

As for the dragon/magic thing, I think that's pretty much the optimal solution. They probably know we got the dragon on our side by now, but if we keep him away, they can't hit him. Once we start pounding on them with cannon, they have two options:
-Sally and get slaughtered in the open field coming down those same winding paths
-Use offensive magic or a ritual.
Option 1 is a win for us.
Option 2 means their mages hopefully blow their strength on our army and cannon, and Asarnil swoops in to kill them while they are recovering and once we have an idea where they are to attack.

It's gonna suck being on the reciving side of that, and I would like for Mathilde to try and counter-spell, though that might just draw attention to her and single her out. But it's our best bet of a clear win. If we can keep the mages distracted and give the dragon an opening he should be able to nuke them. And their mages are their best chance to turn this around. That and incorporeal undead. Which just about a couple of people in the whole army can even hurt. So I think maybe we save Mathilde for that ugliness, tank the opening shot and hope dragonfire is a good response.
 
[x] The taking of Castle Drakenhof at least somewhat intact.

Let's not be stupid about it, this is an ancient castle, we loot it first them break it into rubble.

[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Unleash him early and often.
[X] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.
 
Zaratustra said:
[x] The taking of Castle Drakenhof at least somewhat intact.

Let's not be stupid about it, this is an ancient castle, we loot it first them break it into rubble.

[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Unleash him early and often.
[X] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.
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No we don't, we don't have the manpower to fight our way through the castle that is probably teeming with undead horrors and maybe even a vampire or two. The castle needs to be reduced to ashes.
 
[X] The complete destruction of the entirety of Castle Drakenhof
[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Unleash him early and often
[X] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.
 
Can't we do both Dragon and Counterspelling in response to magic? I know counterspelling makes Mathilde a bit of a target, but i can't see much additional magic going her way if it means the attacking mage stays around to be hit by an angry Dragon.
 
[X] The complete destruction of the mountain that Castle Drakenhof is built upon.
[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Use him to counter any non-trivial sally attempt or any other counterattack.
[X] Unleash Asarnil on it.
 
BoneyM said:
A throng of approx 12k dwarves can pretty much clear an arbitrary amount of forest as needed.
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I love how a not insignificant part of our logistics troubles are solved by throwing dwarves at it.

[X] The complete destruction of the entirety of Castle Drakenhof.
[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
[X] Use him to counter any non-trivial sally attempt or any other counterattack.
[X] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.

Chronic said:
Doesn't the Human army have experience bombarding a mountain until it is half as big as it used to be? Pretty sure they did that against that one wellspring of blood thing. Just saying, not sure how they measure up against the Dwarves, but it can't be that bad.
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We will mostly be using dwarvish artillery, so presumably the dwarves know more about the deploying of it (apparently, they have greater range, for one thing). But I am in favor of inviting Gustaf along as a human observer (unless we insult the dwarves by doing this), if only to get some energy into him, and maybe have him offering suggestions as to how to destroy mountains...

SAGrognard said:
It's a castle. Made of stone. Not gonna burn.
It's a pre-cannon castle. It has sheer walls wonderful against escalade. Cannonball to the base will bring them down in tumbled ruin :)
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Fire can be surprisingly effective against even stone castles. They tend to still contain burny bits, at least in our world (floors, furniture, stuff like that). And that's before we get into dragonfire (which may or may not be able to burn stone...)
 
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Chronic said:
Doesn't the Human army have experience bombarding a mountain until it is half as big as it used to be? Pretty sure they did that against that one wellspring of blood thing. Just saying, not sure how they measure up against the Dwarves, but it can't be that bad.
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The description didn't strike me as particularly efficient, mainly persistent. I'd rate Dwarven artillerists over Stirlanders- remember this amount of cannon is pretty new for us, so many of the crews will also be fairly green.
 
[X] Plan Purify

[o] The complete destruction of the mountain that Castle Drakenhof is built upon.

This is a vampire castle. It must have catacombs and caves underneath it. We have to be thorough.

[o] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.

They are the least battered and the most well-equipped. Let their cannons roar.

[o] Keep him in reserve for now.

Asarnil shall be the wedge we'll drive into shattered defences of Drakenhof.

[o] Treat it as enemy artillery and counter-battery accordingly.

No magic of theirs can stand before superior firepower.
 
Looking at the update and the picture of Castle Drakenhof and thinking about our situation, I'm fairly sure someone is going to be utterly boned.

I'm just not sure who.
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Assuming significant variance for artistic license, this is still a general image of a castle that's damn hard to assault, but also damn hard to sally out of against enemies who aren't on the narrow winding path.

If the Countess and her army of undead are holed up in there, it's the Countess who is boned, because trying to sally forth looks like it will involve one of 1) file down narrow path in tightly packed ranks under artillery fire, suffer massive casualties 2) spill down mountainside, losing cohesion, attacking in small clumps and getting defeated in detail 3) spill down mountainside, losing cohesion, pause to regroup at base of mountain while under artillery fire.
(flier undead excepted, of course, but they're much fewer.)

If the Countess and her army of undead aren't in there, it's us who are boned, because we're now forming up to face and target Castle Drakenhof. Massed undead hitting us in the flank at this point would hurt bad. (Or massed undead going around us to Drakenhof City to hit our weaker garrison and foul up our logistics, but that would involve giving us a free hand to bombard Castle Drakenhof for a while, and I doubt the Countess would tolerate that.)
 
Also worth noting Mathilde is likely to have injury penalties apply to active personal rolls probably including counterspells. We should let others fight as much as possible.
 
[X] Plan Destroy Drakenhof
-[X] The complete destruction of the entirety of Castle Drakenhof.
-[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
-[X] Use him to counter any non-trivial sally attempt or any other counterattack.
-[X] Unleash Asarnil on it.

Bury those vampiric fucks in cannon shot and rubble.
 
Exmorri said:
Looking at the update and the picture of Castle Drakenhof and thinking about our situation, I'm fairly sure someone is going to be utterly boned.

I'm just not sure who.


Assuming significant variance for artistic license, this is still a general image of a castle that's damn hard to assault, but also damn hard to sally out of against enemies who aren't on the narrow winding path.

If the Countess and her army of undead are holed up in there, it's the Countess who is boned, because trying to sally forth looks like it will involve one of 1) file down narrow path in tightly packed ranks under artillery fire, suffer massive casualties 2) spill down mountainside, losing cohesion, attacking in small clumps and getting defeated in detail 3) spill down mountainside, losing cohesion, pause to regroup at base of mountain while under artillery fire.
(flier undead excepted, of course, but they're much fewer.)

If the Countess and her army of undead aren't in there, it's us who are boned, because we're now forming up to face and target Castle Drakenhof. Massed undead hitting us in the flank at this point would hurt bad. (Or massed undead going around us to Drakenhof City to hit our weaker garrison and foul up our logistics, but that would involve giving us a free hand to bombard Castle Drakenhof for a while, and I doubt the Countess would tolerate that.)
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We won't be assaulting it under any plan. The job of the infantry will be to defend the artillery. You are right that we're more likely to have trouble if they come from the surrounding landscape. Also, remember flying enemies. Vampire bats and worse- they might come over the walls.
 
Chronic said:
Doesn't the Human army have experience bombarding a mountain until it is half as big as it used to be? Pretty sure they did that against that one wellspring of blood thing. Just saying, not sure how they measure up against the Dwarves, but it can't be that bad.
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They're certainly competent, but they're not 'back the dwarven platoon up three steps, cannonfire perfectly clips the zombies they were fighting' good.
 
Melancholeric said:
[o] The complete destruction of the mountain that Castle Drakenhof is built upon.

This is a vampire castle. It must have catacombs and caves underneath it. We have to be thorough.
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This is a fair point. Nobody is going to want to poke around down in those catacombs if there's a chance it's populated by vampires in close quarters, even after the castle has been reduced to rubble. Therefore, we might as well blow it the fuck up rather than leave it.
 
Castle Drakenhoff absolutely has catacombs.

The castle seems to be on a cliff. I wonder how feasible it would be to send it down the mountain?.
 
[X] The complete destruction of the entirety of Castle Drakenhof.
Less is leaving the job half finished. More is stupidity.

[X] Leave it to the dwarven professionals.
Experts with 200 years experience > experts with 20 years experience.

[X] Use him to counter any non-trivial sally attempt or any other counterattack.
Undead have a lot of big nasties. Best save our bigger nasty for eating them.

[X] Unleash Asarnil on it.
Again, we have an Ace. Best make use of him.

Zaratustra said:
Let's not be stupid about it, this is an ancient castle, we loot it first them break it into rubble.
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Tragically we do not have the manpower to take the castle intact.
Every province in the Empire doesn't have the manpower.
 
Chronic said:
Doesn't the Human army have experience bombarding a mountain until it is half as big as it used to be? Pretty sure they did that against that one wellspring of blood thing. Just saying, not sure how they measure up against the Dwarves, but it can't be that bad.
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that was the dwarves, using their trebuchets, the grudge throwers
 
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