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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore

I would like to do some magic research beyond reading the Necromancy book, we can bond with Johan over rats next turn.
 
I'm going to tentatively assume that given Johann managed to figure out how to give his "suggestions" to his artillery comrades, and that he was patient enough to go back and "graduate", that he'll be patient and intelligent enough to start under the Citadel where he has actionable intelligence regarding the layout and defenses. I mean, even if he's not us, he's still at our rank, and he may have been annoying but he hasn't been stupid...honestly he's done better than Max, who bungled a bit. So...I think we don't need to hold his hand, though it would probably help, it's not necessary.

He may have been a bit of a patz, but he's not unintelligent.
 
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Pempelune said:
I am resigned to the idea that we will continue to seat on a ever-expanding pool of liquid magic til Mathilde die of old age
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With a sinking feeling of dread, Roswita- now grey-haired and quite the imposing figure, having finally grown into her role through dint of hard work and experience- re-read the copy of the will she'd had the misfortune to find in her mailbox.

"And to Roswita van Hal, Elector Count of Stirland, I leave the twelve lakes of magical snake juice currently accumulating in the forgotten depths of Karak Eight Peaks. P.S.: You should probably contact the Colleges about this. Would be a great chance to expand your horizons and clear up some unfortunate prejudices you seem to hold against magic users. Don't bother asking the dwarves, they are well aware who to direct you to. Have fun."
 
10ebbor10 said:
How so?
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We're building the tower. It automatically gives a bonus to whatever purpose we assign it to and we can pick the purpose mid-turn. We can probably use dwarf favor to make it a magically inert personal lab that gives huge bonuses to investigation.
BoneyM said:
If you put Max on writing papers you dictate, you can do two papers for one action and bring Mathilde's stats and traits to bear on both of them.
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Is this 1 Math action + 1 Max dictation action or just 1 Max dictation action?
 
10ebbor10 said:
Honestly, why is everyone so opposed to studying the snake juice? We've been waiting for that for ages, and IIRC correctly last turn people explicitedly argued for setting up the lab first. It seems bad to justify delaying an action with preparing for it, and then not doing it.

Now, I could understand if there were some new, hyper-urgent thing that needed to be done, but there just isn't.
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Wait, have we set up a lab?
BoneyM said:
The Penthouse is the uppermost room of Karag Nar, formerly inhabited by the Black Orc Warboss of the Broken Toof Tribe.

Accumulated trophies and mementos:
Flensed skull of the 'Singing King', a Strigoi vampire that ruled over an army of ghouls encountered during the Purge of the Haunted Hills, slain by you, Kasmir, and Abelhelm.
Gargoyle head taken from the wreckage of Castle Drakenhof.
Abelhelm's spare witch-hunter hat.
Your published paper on Mathilde's Mystical Matrix.
The memoirs of Asarnil the Dragonlord.
Bosspole of the Broken Toof Tribe
Four helldrake scales.
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List of stuff in the Penthouse does not list a lab.
Poking demon blood without a dedicated lab is not optimal.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
So...I think we don't need to hold his hand, though it would probably help, it's not necessary.
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It's not about holding his hand. It's about getting a measure of him in an environment he prepared for while he gets a measure of us. Ideally we can come to an arrangement that satisfies both of us rather then us sort of forcing him to work for us.
 
runeblue360 said:
The journeyman lab was the action that also meant they actually got somewhere to sleep and weren't seemingly homeless in the Karak. Nobody is opposed to studying the snakejuice, they'd just prefer to get a proper wizard tower so we can get the maximum number of bonuses when we study. It's literally the next turn and the modifiers a proper lab would provide us are substantial.
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I'm sure there are a lot of good reasons to delay it, but we've literally been doing that since Turn 8, which was 11 turns and a year and a half ago. I'm entirely uncertain that we will ever decide to stop delaying. There are always going to be better opportunities, and more time-sensitive things to do.
 
Blorp said:
With a sinking feeling of dread, Roswita- now grey-haired and quite the imposing figure, having finally grown into her role through dint of hard work and experience- re-read the copy of the will she'd had the misfortune to find in her mailbox.

"And to Roswita van Hal, Elector Count of Stirland, I leave the twelve lakes of magical snake juice currently accumulating in the forgotten depths of Karak Eight Peaks. P.S.: You should probably contact the Colleges about this. Would be a great chance to expand your horizons and clear up some unfortunate prejudices you seem to hold against magic users. Don't bother asking the dwarves, they are well aware who to direct you to. Have fun."
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We should move our snakejuice lakes back under Wurtbad before that happens. 'By the way, you're sitting on more daemon essence than anyone ever has before' would be special
Quest said:
Is this 1 Math action + 1 Max dictation action or just 1 Max dictation action?
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If Max takes the dictation option, Math gets to take two 'publish or die' options
 
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Quest said:
sort of forcing him to work for us.
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Didn't he agree to that when he agreed to get paid by us? I thought they were both taking the Grey Witches' Dwarf Kings Shilling.
St0rmweaver said:
@BoneyM if we choose to make the papers later on, do the writers get penalties because they start forgetting details?
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We have, in the past- on our Matrix.

@spiritualatheist isn't your Plan doing Overwork now?
You either need to specify what is overwork, or, say, drop the Wolf?
 
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ctulhuslp said:
I mean.
That means less risk of research going wrong, but more risk of awkward questions? Unless we throw out all of them when we need it for ourselves, which sort of defeats its purpose as their lab, not our personal one.
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Sorry to badger you with so many questions, but, how would Mathilde treat the research of the Asp Blood at this exact, present stage, absent a personal research lab but with a general lab and a penthouse to her own?

Find a way to Grey College (re: sneaky learning) it in the general lab, or just do it in her own pad?
 
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I'll say moratorium worked out splendidly. A lot of great discussions, no bandwagon on a weak plan, multiple thought out plans in the running.
 
Alliterate said:
Didn't he agree to that when he agreed to get paid by us? I thought they were both taking the Grey Witches' Dwarf Kings Shilling.
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He agreed to work for us because we used his jouneyman disguise as an intrigue bludgeon to put him under us. Sure, the money is probably nice but he doesn't need it. He's a Gold Magister whose here for a reason. We can make his life hell if he doesn't go along with us but intimidation seems like a poor way to control a subordinate.
 
WorldSlayer said:
Won't this possibly damage our relationship with Max though? We just gave Johann six months off and now we're going to not only let him pursue his own project but we'll be actively helping him do it. Considering their antipathy towards each other I'm not sure that's a great idea. Maybe if we also give Max time off to work on his smithing it would be ok though.
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Deal. Plan Spider-Wizard Synergy is located here. I'll expect your vote promptly

DarkLight140 said:
And as long as I'm voting, I'll throw in a vote for these.
[X] Plan Waaaghnald
[X] Not Plan TNE
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I am feeling hurt and betrayed.
10ebbor10 said:
Honestly, why is everyone so opposed to studying the snake juice? We've been waiting for that for ages, and IIRC correctly last turn people explicitedly argued for setting up the lab first. It seems bad to justify delaying an action with preparing for it, and then not doing it.

Now, I could understand if there were some new, hyper-urgent thing that needed to be done, but there just isn't.
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And I take it you're implying the Asp blood research is supposed to be hyper-urgent?
 
Quest said:
He agreed to work for us because we used his jouneyman disguise as an intrigue bludgeon to put him under us. Sure, the money is probably nice but he doesn't need it. He's a Gold Magister whose here for a reason. We can make his life hell if he doesn't go along with us but intimidation seems like a poor way to control a subordinate.
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We can bar him from K8P entirely and he will have no recourse. We have basically all the power here.
 
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