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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Quest said:
@BoneyM what does Mathilde know about the Brotherhood? According to the information in the Cult of Ranald part of the wiki, it's described as:

Whereas in the page dedicated to it specifically it seems to imply it's more of a standard if gentlemanly thief's guild sort.

Which is true in-universe?
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There's a merchant-y Brotherhood and a thief-y Brotherhood and they both insist they're the real original Brotherhood. Ranald finds it hilarious.

Quest said:
And what is the Grey College's party line for them?
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Criminals are bad but on the one hand you have Ranaldian Criminals and on the other you have ones that worship Stromfels or Khaine or Gunndred or actual Chaos Gods, so Ranaldians are considered a lesser evil a lot of the time.
 
ctulhuslp said:
oohh
It meant that for "Actively manage EIC" action commitment to count, we'd have to do stuff on order of "magnitude"/investment of 4th?
Sorry, I feel slow today.
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As I understand it, not exactly. What will most likely happen is that we will have one less AP and will have action category called "EIC management" with 1 free AP in it. Maybe we will be able to spend some of our generic APs in that category as well, maybe we won't. If action is an "EIC action" then it is in that category, as simple as that.

We will also likely have "Journeymanling management" category, that will have some free AP in it at the cost of some of our generic AP.

You can look at the Stirland Watch as an example of how this worked in the past. (voting options for Turn 9, for example. Mathilde had free AP in the Watch category and in the Information Network category, but only had 5 normal AP instead of 6).
 
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[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.

Avatar of polytheism? Sure, sounds weird.
"Hey Ranald can you borrow something from one of the other gods for me for a sec I'll pay it back soon, promise."

[X] Donate it to whoever ends up leading the Undumgi.
They should be less suspicious than average of magical morale boosters, ever since whatever it was that Kragg did during the Citadel battle.
Probably get a lot of use out of it. Especially underground.
 
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So as Court Wizard beyond the general dealing with magical issues, doing what Belegar wants us and research what are our goals? I personally do like the idea of slowly building up a branch college by building up some facilities to entice other wizards and those that helped with the expedition I do want to spend some time helping them set up their own Wizard Towers in order to make whatever they are doing less risky and have better results.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm not arguing that it will change the world in all ways, just like it does not inherently fix class inequality in Bretonia it won't magically make the Sigmarite fanatics go away. This was about making the lives of wizards better and safer and giving the Empire another tool to fight off the Ruinous powers and other omnicidal enemies.

As for how we are going to convince people to practice Ranald Sorcery, well a significant number of Grey Wizard already worship him and I imagine they like the prospect of exploding and being possessed as little as anyone else in that position
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Making the lives of a very select group of wizards, grey order ranald worshipers, better is good. But, is that all? It seems so small to me. They will only ever be a small fraction of the empires strength. I earnestly believe that there are better ways to improve the strength and ability of the Empire to protect against chaos than improving only a very select group of wizards.
 
Neshuakadal said:
Making the lives of a very select group of wizards, grey order ranald worshipers, better is good. But, is that all? It seems so small to me. They will only ever be a small fraction of the empires strength. I earnestly believe that there are better ways to improve the strength and ability of the Empire to protect against chaos than improving only a very select group of wizards.
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And I believe that it will not stop at the Greys, they would be the first to adopt it sure, but the advantages would be so great that others would join in time, maybe even elevating Ranald to a a God of Magic, but this is already in the realms of speculation that I don't want to indulge in, I think I have made both my position and my reasoning quite clear just as you have yours and others have as well on both sides of the argument and neither.
 
[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
[X] Recruit Panoramia
[X] Recruit Maximilian

[X]Leave the EIC alone
Wilhelmina's the least bad person to fill the power vacuum Roswita has left in Western Stirland.

[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Polyglot: Your time with the Dwarves has revealed that you have an ear for languages, and learn new languages much faster.
[X] Collegiate

[X]Return it with your thanks to the Bright College. +2 College Favour


So I'm going to take a pretty hard stance on not interfering with the EIC for one simple reason. IT IS NOT OUR JOB. Our job is to be the best court wizard the dwarfs have ever seen and give value to the idea of it for future generations. Keeping up to date with the EIC while useful for Stirland will actively draw us away from Belegar.

It is easy enough to say to Wilheimina to open a branch in K8P it's another to actively monitor something that we agreed to join because we trusted the people in charge. We should have the faith in our friends and peers that they Know What The Hell They Are Doing, when Wilhelmina dies we can step in if there are no good replacements.

But here is the important part, we have to get not micromanage two massive entities, being a court wizard for Belegar is a full time job especially with K8P still ongoing in the war.
 
Sinsystems said:
So as Court Wizard beyond the general dealing with magical issues, doing what Belegar wants us and research what are our goals? I personally do like the idea of slowly building up a branch college by building up some facilities to entice other wizards and those that helped with the expedition I do want to spend some time helping them set up their own Wizard Towers in order to make whatever they are doing less risky and have better results.
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I have three goals that I would like Mathilde to achieve during her stint as the Court Wizard of Karak-Eight-Peaks. (1) To find/uncover less conventional threats to Karak-Eight-Peaks (ie. magical plagues, magical trolls, and Greenskin Shamanic Rituals) and then neutralize those threats; (2) To conduct research and develop our understanding of the metaphysical underpinnings of the world and magic (ie. Snakeblood, Heldrake scales, Waystone manipulation, and whatever else we find); and (3) to further develop ties between Karak-Eight-Peaks/Karak Anzor and the Empire (ie. Strengthen trade ties, military ties, and diplomatic ties.)

I think that if Mathilde is capable of doing these three things, she'll have had an extraordinarily successful career as King Belegar's Court Wizard. And, I think, all three of these things are achievable.
 
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Thor's Twin said:
I have three goals that I would like Mathilde to achieve during her stint as the Court Wizard of Karak-Eight-Peaks. (1) To find/uncover less conventional threats to Karak-Eight-Peaks (ie. magical plagues, magical trolls, and Greenskin Shamanic Rituals) and then neutralize those threats; (2) To conduct research and develop our understanding of the metaphysical underpinnings of the world and magic (ie. Snakeblood, Heldrake scales, Waystone manipulation, and whatever else we find); and to further develop ties between Karak-Eight-Peaks/Karak Anzor and the Empire (ie. Strengthen trade ties, military ties, and diplomatic ties.)

I think that if Mathilde is capable of doing these three things, she'll have had an extraordinarily successful career as King Belegar's Court Wizard. And, I think, all three of these things are achievable.
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I would add to this (though it could fall under goal C) establishing a College Branch in Eight Peaks and actively supporting the reconquest of remaining eight karaks as to minimize the loss of lives.
 
@BoneyM, what will recruited journeymen get out of the arrangement? Mathilde gets some manpower, but are there some benefits for them in Mathilde commandeering some of their APs? Do they get access to her influence/resources or is it just inconvenience they have to live with because of the nature of hierarchy?
 
BoneyM said:
No, you're fine. Just be aware that on one end of the GW timeline there's Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau and on the other end there's Sigmarines, so there has to be some level of picking and choosing to make a working setting.
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Yea I understand that, especially with the number of lore books that contradict each other, that said I take your point but the inquister is from 40k rather than fantasy.
BioWolf said:
[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
[X] Recruit Panoramia
[X] Recruit Maximilian

[X]Leave the EIC alone
Wilhelmina's the least bad person to fill the power vacuum Roswita has left in Western Stirland.

[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Polyglot: Your time with the Dwarves has revealed that you have an ear for languages, and learn new languages much faster.
[X] Collegiate

[X]Return it with your thanks to the Bright College. +2 College Favour


So I'm going to take a pretty hard stance on not interfering with the EIC for one simple reason. IT IS NOT OUR JOB. Our job is to be the best court wizard the dwarfs have ever seen and give value to the idea of it for future generations. Keeping up to date with the EIC while useful for Stirland will actively draw us away from Belegar.

It is easy enough to say to Wilheimina to open a branch in K8P it's another to actively monitor something that we agreed to join because we trusted the people in charge. We should have the faith in our friends and peers that they Know What The Hell They Are Doing, when Wilhelmina dies we can step in if there are no good replacements.

But here is the important part, we have to get not micromanage two massive entities, being a court wizard for Belegar is a full time job especially with K8P still ongoing in the war.
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Unless we're planing to become a black magister one of our first loyalties is to the grey college in which case ensuring that the EIC doesn't become a problem actually is our job.
 
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LockedMind said:
@BoneyM, what will recruited journeymen get out of the arrangement? Mathilde gets some manpower, but are there some benefits for them in Mathilde commandeering some of their APs? Do they get access to her influence/resources or is it just inconvenience they have to live with because of the nature of hierarchy?
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Presumably we pay them in gold, we have the budget for it.
 
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Sinsystems said:
So as Court Wizard beyond the general dealing with magical issues, doing what Belegar wants us and research what are our goals? I personally do like the idea of slowly building up a branch college by building up some facilities to entice other wizards and those that helped with the expedition I do want to spend some time helping them set up their own Wizard Towers in order to make whatever they are doing less risky and have better results.
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My goal is simple; open every mystery box. Set up the tower, get an inspiration item from the college, get all of them. No more bookchat, no more snek juice, no more fog of war spell. We shall be free from speculation.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Unless we're planing to become a black magister one of our first loyalties is to the grey college in which case ensuring that the EIC doesn't become a problem actually is our job.
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Our duty to the Grey College does not corellate to being the one to keep an eye on the EIC if we were in Stirland or the Empire I would say let's do it. But we are hundreds of miles away now(I knowGyrocopter) in a radically different and unique position. Our duty to the College now involves keeping an eye on our new region, not our new region plus our old one, plus every town we spend more then a month in or become mildly invested into.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Yea I understand that, especially with the number of lore books that contradict each other, that said I take your point but the inquister is from 40k rather than fantasy.


Unless we're planing to become a black magister one of our first loyalties is to the grey college in which case ensuring that the EIC doesn't become a problem actually is our job.
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Fantasy had a lot of it's own weird shit. WFRP 1 edition cult of Sigmar is all but unrecognisable as the Sigmarism we all know and (love to) hate, and dwarves had spellcasting priests.

Oh, and Karl Franz was a sickly puppet ruler.
 
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ichypa said:
Weren't Orcs capable of sexual reproduction at some point?
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I don't know. My exposure to weirdhamner is basically contained to getting 1 edition wfrp books for source materials and inspiration, skimming the core, getting weirded out and promptly closing it never to open again.
 
LockedMind said:
@BoneyM, what will recruited journeymen get out of the arrangement? Mathilde gets some manpower, but are there some benefits for them in Mathilde commandeering some of their APs? Do they get access to her influence/resources or is it just inconvenience they have to live with because of the nature of hierarchy?
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And aside form the pay already mentioned by BoneyM, the authority of a wizard Magister in close proximity. We've already seen it put to use, to order-by-mail specific spell back from the college with our authority attached. Being a journeyman by yourself in the middle of nowhere (where K8P effectively is), access to further structured magical education would be pretty much impossible. Instead, now they have guaranteed access to either gyrocopter mail (their correspondence carried as part of regular gyrocopter traffic by authority of the court wizard) or as part of Mathilde's travels with shadowsteed (because honestly, would we not agree to carry a letter if we are going to visit our friends?)
 
Kornet said:
Fantasy had a lot of it's own weird shit. WFRP 1 edition cult of Sigmar is all but unrecognisable as the Sigmarism we all know and (love to) hate, and dwarves had spellcasting priests.
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First edition Rp had a lot more wrong with it than just that but it also had some interesting stuff in there that wasn't completely horrible. Gazul for instance was a nice concept that's pretty much only in 1st E rp. Although I hope the backstory for him isn't taken verbatim.
 
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC

[X] Scout: Sometimes the best weapon is knowing where everything is. +2 Intrigue, +20 to infiltrating all but the highest-security areas.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.

An unmarked box containing unmarked gods is too reckless for my taste. You never know where Tzeentch is.
 
Night said:
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC

[X] Scout: Sometimes the best weapon is knowing where everything is. +2 Intrigue, +20 to infiltrating all but the highest-security areas.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.

An unmarked box containing unmarked gods is too reckless for my taste. You never know where Tzeentch is.
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Well if that's your worry we've word of god that avatar isn't chaos bait.
 
TripleG316 said:
...Wait a second.
>Chop hand off with seed in it.
>Mathilde#2 grows from our hand.
>Mathilde#2 gives the seed back to us to regrow the lost hand.
>Repeat for as many Mathilde's as you want.
>Now you can make a council of Mathilde, Mathilde, Mathilde, Mathilde's Wolf, and Mathilde.
Foolproof plan.
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I feel like this is exactly how you get that Calvin & Hobbes storyline where the clones all go off and do whatever they want, while leaving it all to be blamed on the original.
 
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