By Which Title Should I Address Mathilde?
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Is Mathilde Weber Really a Dwarf?
Maybe some sort of distinctive hat. . .
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Is Mathilde Weber Really a Dwarf?
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Wearing a mask at all times and never revealing your face seems Ulgu-ey enough itself that the Wind would take no issues with that workaround.
Like, Marks are mostly thematic effects that force you into acting closer to the ideal of the Wind you're beginning to embody. Playing into them seems more likely to work than trying to nullify them in general.
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- Location
- Leeds
Whenever you do something it gets attributed to Balthasar Gelt.
This reminds me:
If you have Forgettable, can you still use Doppelganger to pose as a specific person? If not, that's a huge drawback. If you can...can you use Doppleganger to create an illusion of yourself?
What Species She Is Again?
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Who's She Working For This Time?
Imagine people struggling to remember if Mathilde is actually a dwarf or it's just technicality.
Hey, Elfcation could be the perfect time to pick up a Harlequin Mask... ("What do you mean wrong edgy loner elves?")
I really doubt it's possible but the the idea of Melkoth shunting forgettable onto his age made me think about the idea of Mathilde doing the same onto her religion. That feels hilariously on brand for a Ranaldian.
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That does make me think of the alternate universe were Alkared the vampire instead went with Ulgu mistification.
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- Denial
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I don't see why it would prevent that. You use doppleganger they see your face recognise it as Sir Bignose and it's only later that they find they can't remember what your face looked like only that they knew you were Sir Bignose.
Lots of people seem to treat the mark like it's "You have no face" or "People can't see your face." According to the wiki (feel free to look it up and correct me if you have the books) the mark is:
Forgettable: People can't seem to remember your face.
Which as written is purely something that would apply in hindsight, not something that would be identifiable in the moment unless you were specifically testing for it.
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All this fretting about Forgettable is making a mountain out of a molehill. There's a lot of ways to recognize someone without relying on facial features. Everyone in the setting with bad eyesight manages it every single day.
Get it, then try it and find out.
Get it, then try it and find out.
And then there are those of us who are just bad at remembering faces anyway. Sometimes I even struggle with my own siblings, especially if it's been a while since I've seen them. Doesn't really affect anything.
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- Finland
Names and faces.
I have literally stopped mid sentence while talking with my sisters, because i could not remember one of their names.
The sister whose name i had forgotten simply provided hers without even me needing to ask and coversation moved on.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
First day of the boot camp I met bunch of people and spend the most of the day with them. Next day when we get in to the camuflages I couldn't recognise most people and felt emberassed until somebody said exact same thing loudly and bunch of people laughed in relief and agreed. Appereantly it is common affliction.
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- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hang on, something seems odd about Mathilde's character sheet.
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- DOOR STUCK DOOR STUCK PLEASE I BEG U
Yea I'm not super concerned about forgettable face issue. Mathilde would just need to wear her hat more often and people wouldn't have many issues with her. She is a big enough name that it's at worst slightly annoying.
If your worried about Pan, she is probably gonna do the 'Darn I didn't know you were this pretty' bit.
If your worried about Pan, she is probably gonna do the 'Darn I didn't know you were this pretty' bit.
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Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Re:Forgettable, though Boney's previously said that the specifics of the common Marks vary from person to person, he's also said that Forgettable relates to personal identity:
So managing its effects likely involves mentally juggling your own self-perception. Mathilde could, for instance, force herself to briefly believe that her identity is centered around her hands or feet, so that people couldn't remember them rather than her face.
She might also be able to do the opposite: make herself temporarily believe that her identity is all of her, making her very hard to remember when she's trying to pass unnoticed and unremarkable somewhere.
...I wonder what part of Mathilde's soul is tied to Flicker or Mantle of Mist. Being intimidating? Being confused?
I also wonder: can we even control Shrouded? It doesn't seem to have any downsides to it, and I'm not sure it can be improved upon.
So managing its effects likely involves mentally juggling your own self-perception. Mathilde could, for instance, force herself to briefly believe that her identity is centered around her hands or feet, so that people couldn't remember them rather than her face.
She might also be able to do the opposite: make herself temporarily believe that her identity is all of her, making her very hard to remember when she's trying to pass unnoticed and unremarkable somewhere.
...I wonder what part of Mathilde's soul is tied to Flicker or Mantle of Mist. Being intimidating? Being confused?
I also wonder: can we even control Shrouded? It doesn't seem to have any downsides to it, and I'm not sure it can be improved upon.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Thinking on it, isn't it fairly likely that Mathilde doesn't have the strongest perception of her face?
She avoided mirrors for a large number of years, first out of caution and then out of habit. Mirrors still aren't the most common thing in the world.
I suppose it depends on if her rooms are outfitted with a clear mirror.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
There's an extremely cute omake with approximately this premise.
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- Netherlands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm not sure that's what Boney meant? My read of that quote isn't that Forgettable depends on personal identity, but that the effects of Forgettable can't reach into your personal identity to make you forget your own appearance - provided of course, that your appearance is part of your personal identity.
I'm guessing that this is because the "effects" of Arcane Marks are performed by reality rather than magic, and thus are unable to reach into people's souls, because souls are magical. Therefore, if your appearance is stored in your soul as your personal identity, then Forgettable is unable to reach it. (But if you don't identify with your appearance, and it is thus only stored in your very-much-physical brain rather than your soul, then Forgettable can make you forget your own appearance)
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I had the same thing happen, ft benning sucked because there was literally a thousand people at a time. I remember one guy got into the wrong formation because he did not recognize anyone, that sucked for everyone.
that isn't what it is saying. it is saying that, 'if your appearance is part of your personal identity, then you won't forget it' because reality has no say that deep into your soul.
but if it isn't. you'll forget your face too.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Admittedly, the quote refers only to the effect of the Mark inside someone, not necessarily it being tied to identity in general. I guess we'd have to wait until we get it to really know for sure.
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- Leeds
How to defeat inconvenient magical curses by awakening a fetish.
- Location
- Where the snow and ice lies
It seems like a lich is the result of using magic to bind your soul directly into your body forever. Therefore, if your definition of "living" is "your soul has never departed," liches are the most living beings who have ever lived.
Pay no attention to the rotting flesh.