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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sovereign Hunt said:
If I'm not mistaken, this is probably the point in the timeline where Eltharion tried to wipe out all the Greenskins in the Badlands.

So K8P is probably (in a few years) about to be hit by the collateral of the mega-Waaagh that forms in response to said Greenskin genocide.
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This is an event I am unfamiliar with. Is there anywhere I can go to gain more information?
 
Yeah, I imagine if Ulthuan's inner sea spawned an infinite horde of amphibian horrors they'd be in much the same boat as the dwarves are with the skaven.
 
Boney said:
You're ready to write it off as a fruitless endeavour, but in an instant your doubts vanish as the path stops being hints of a long-lost path, instead sprouting ancient, tarnished steel handrails and a severely battered roof piled high with brilliant-white limestone rubble, clinging to the side of an increasingly steep slope. You urge your horse to a trot along the undercover path and at last you turn a corner on the now-shaded trail and catch sight of what can only be the entrance to the Underway.



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Rereading - imagine if we kept getting pictures. Be pretty intresting, but it also seems like a lot of hard work so, meh
 
Hey, odd question, but does anyone remember what update it was where the College ended up getting Mathilde's acknowledgement that she is a follower of Ranald out of her? It was part of protecting her after something went pear-shaped and potentially earned some enemies.

My search powers are unfortunately failing me at the moment.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Hey, odd question, but does anyone remember what update it was where the College ended up getting Mathilde's acknowledgement that she is a follower of Ranald out of her? It was part of protecting her after something went pear-shaped and potentially earned some enemies.

My search powers are unfortunately failing me at the moment.
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Turn 36 Social, part 2/3, i think? That or it was when reiner starke was asking if she was a woman of faith
Boney said:
Once you decide to tell most of the truth, it doesn't take much effort to bring the memories, and the emotions, back to the forefront. Most of the hurt has faded, but the bitterness never has. "During the Purge of the Haunted Hills, I saw, and felt, Sigmar's intervention multiple times. Most notably in the Battle of Fang Island, where it struck down a great deal of Undead, including the Strigoi vampire known as the Singing King. Brother Kasmir channelled the might of Sigmar with considerable skill and finesse, before, during, and after that campaign. In fact, the only time I ever saw him fail to do so is when he called on it to heal Abelhelm Van Hal."
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Chronic said:
To be absolutely fair, it was already brought back from the dead with the invention of the Gyrocopter and the formation of the Karaz-a-Karak Air Corps, this is more than anything else what brought all remaining Karaks back into contact, allowing for what cooperation there is between them.

Or you might go even further back and credit Sigmar - overland travel through friendly human lands probably did a lot to compensate for the loss of the Underway, at least for those Karaks that border the Empire.
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Boney said:
With hope and bravery did Karak Norn, Karak Izor, Karak Hirn, and Barak Varr lend Clan Angrund all the might and materiel they could spare, and Karak Eight Peaks is now reclaimed and redeemed, and Karak Azul reconnected to the rest of the realm. With cunning and ingenuity did Zhufbar and Karak Kadrin devise a way to send an expedition to investigate the fate of fallen Karag Dum, and in doing so found a way to rescue Karak Vlag from the clutches of Chaos. And even as I speak great canals are being dug to link the waters of Zhufbar and Barak Varr with the rivers of the Empire. I sing the death-song for an Empire that has not been so large and interconnected since the Time of Woes.
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Rereading the library design section right after that makes me wonder about the relationship K8P dwarves will have with it. Would we ever see trade secrets preserved there beyond the death of the master who held them? Perhaps with a series of challenges to prove the worthiness of those who would seek to learn it? ...of course knowing dwarves the tests would probably require such a level of mastery that any seeker has already rediscovered the secrets on their own.
 
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adaer said:
Rereading the library design section right after that makes me wonder about the relationship K8P dwarves will have with it. Would we ever see trade secrets preserved there beyond the death of the master who held them? Perhaps with a series of challenges to prove the worthiness of those who would seek to learn it? ...of course knowing dwarves the tests would probably such a level of mastery that any seeker has already rediscovered the secrets on their own.
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That is less valuable, but not of no value. There are only so many hours in the day and such challenges would let the Dwarves who made them have some say on what secrets would be easier to rediscover, just because solving a hand crafted puzzle is easier than stumbling around in the dark.
 
Boney said:
The keep towers above you, sealed and silent. If it has been taken by the skaven, then they've either abandoned it or are lurking in its depths to shelter from the harsh light of the sun they hate so much.


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Another picture - is that meant to be Helms Deep?

Boney said:
You can hear the capital letters slotting into place. "It also allows easy access to the gyrocopter airport, allowing a fuller use of gyrocopters than the landing pads scattered throughout Eight Peaks.
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I was thinking that is was for K8P have a Gyrocopter port, because they must have been first made after it fell. But later it says its for airships, which makes more sense.

Boney said:
approach to the Eastern Gates, a long bridge over a deep ravine, the final destination sprouting thousand of greenskin heads as they stare sullenly over the battlements at your approach. The grim tattoo of tens of thousands of feet falling in unison summons more curious heads, and somewhere in the distance a low horn blows.

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Big 'nd spooky looking.
 
adaer said:
Rereading the library design section right after that makes me wonder about the relationship K8P dwarves will have with it. Would we ever see trade secrets preserved there beyond the death of the master who held them? Perhaps with a series of challenges to prove the worthiness of those who would seek to learn it? ...of course knowing dwarves the tests would probably require such a level of mastery that any seeker has already rediscovered the secrets on their own.
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I don't think that Dwarves will ever be willing to write down "trade secrets" in a public library - not without massive cultural changes, anyway - but that doesn't make the Library useless in preserving their knowledge.

A lot of historical lost knowledge was stuff that wasn't at all considered a secret, after all. See the third shaker.

Just maintaining a baseline of "non-exclusive" knowledge - stuff that the current Karaz Ankor cobblers guild or whoever wouldn't even consider a "trade secret" - will do a lot to arrest the slow loss of institutional knowledge.
 
Andres said:
And that's lost, not losing; they're back to gaining knowledge again since the White Tower
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I'm not sure if there's any examples canon provides of advancements or gains for the High Elves in the last 2 millennia since the White Tower was built.

The Dwarfs have certainly lost more, particularly of Runecraft, but they are able to counterbalance that with their Engineering, which remains vibrant and has advancements that are clear to point out.

They're two different polities with different circumstances and the constant arguing about which is worse gets rather tiring.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I don't think that Dwarves will ever be willing to write down "trade secrets" in a public library - not without massive cultural changes, anyway - but that doesn't make the Library useless in preserving their knowledge.
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I was imagining those going in the "restricted to dwarf acceptable levels" wing, which is probably only about as secure as whatever ultra forbidden secret nook wherewe stash the not technically illegal books like the Creeping Flesh. At that point, all they need to do is trust the We to act as a keeper of the knowledge without stealing it, which seems...plausible since it's trusting a single person rather than an institution of humans.

Also, someone managing a spectacular heist of what they think are forbidden texts only to get a book about 15% more efficient mining techniques sounds very funny.
 
adaer said:
I was imagining those going in the "restricted to dwarf acceptable levels" wing, which is probably only about as secure as whatever ultra forbidden secret nook wherewe stash the not technically illegal books like the Creeping Flesh. At that point, all they need to do is trust the We to act as a keeper of the knowledge without stealing it, which seems...plausible since it's trusting a single person rather than an institution of humans.

Also, someone managing a spectacular heist of what they think are forbidden texts only to get a book about 15% more efficient mining techniques sounds very funny.
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that runs into the problem of 'the only library secret knowledge should be kept in is the mind' cultural standard that all dwarfs keep to.

it is better for all secret knowledge to die than to fall into unworthy hands. and considering every dwarf culture accepts that, even the fire dwarfs iirc, that seems less cultural and more a species wide thing. with the only difference being what is considered secret knowledge.
 
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Did the dwarves ever grudge the slann for fucking up the underway and letting all their enemies in the back door?

deathofrats0808 said:
TBF, canon is very reluctant to have any kind of magic 'tech tree' or much in the way of advancing knowledge.
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It's an interesting philosophical commitment here- a rejection of the modernist idea of 'progress' as the source of knowledge in favor of the antiquitarian idea of a golden age as the source of knowledge.

I like it? It keeps the feel of the setting inspirations better.

(I've also got a bit of a grudge against the star wars writers who seem to believe that after tens of thousands of years of the same basic tech, each generation of starfighters is quantitatively better than the one before instead of just making different tradeoffs. It's like the idea that tech has already been advanced as far as it can be is just utterly foreign to them despite the setting history.)
 
Glau said:
Did the dwarves ever grudge the slann for fucking up the underway and letting all their enemies in the back door?
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They have no idea what caused that to happen.

The people of the Old World in general know very little about the Slann, and even less about what they've been up to for the last 8,000 years.
 
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