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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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As always, a fascinating and gripping update start to finish, it's crazy how Boney always seems to knock it out of the park. I wasn't even excited about the tourism segment but it was great!

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Not Teclis, unfortunately, nor any of the other very few living Asur you know the names of offhand. You can only hope, as you signal for your Gyrocarriage, that this 'Prince Eltharion of Yvresse' is a reasonable sort of Elf.
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Dad might not have quite tracked down the milk yet, but at least he's booked a babysitter!
 
veekie said:
Its good enough for a lay worshipper. Only the priests need to adhere strictly to the strictures, a lay worshipper would try to keep to the spirit of it, but like...funding Shallyan soup kitchens and hospices isn't a bad way to keep up personal morale, and in general Grey Order duties would prefer that only specific people die most of the time.
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Even Mathilde doesn't fully keep to all Ranalds strictures, she's pretty happy working with Authority as long as it isn't doing anything stupid or endangering the world.

But she's also probably one or Ranald's favorite people.

Seems to me as long as you're not a priest gods are pretty easy going, atleast the human ones, keep in the general spirit of what they want and do your best to follow when it makes sense and offer prayers and they're pretty happy.
 
NavySeel said:
Even Mathilde doesn't fully keep to all Ranalds strictures, she's pretty happy working with Authority as long as it isn't doing anything stupid or endangering the world.

But she's also probably one or Ranald's favorite people.

Seems to me as long as you're not a priest gods are pretty easy going, atleast the human ones, keep in the general spirit of what they want and do your best to follow when it makes sense and offer prayers and they're pretty happy.
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I think in a sense Mathilde is a priest, a lay priest of Ranald, she just does not cast from his lore.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think in a sense Mathilde is a priest, a lay priest of Ranald, she just does not cast from his lore.
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Serving Ranald isn't, like... the dominant career in her life, the One True Loyalty or something like that. Someone who's a priest by calling rather than a strongly religious person with other important jobs would probably be required to pay heed to all the scriptures.
 
Sparsebeard said:
I think it might be enlightening. People tend to treat Eike as a devout Shallyan, being wary of things that might offend her faith. I think that just because she favored Shallya before she even was a wizard, it might not mean as much to her as to the thread.

I'd love to introduce her to our Oldest Friend if she has the inclinaison. Does Eike even know Mathilde is a Ranaldite? We showed her our shrine but Shallya was also depicted in the painting we showcased.
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I guess I was somewhat right that Eike wasn't a devout Shallyan anymore but underestimated the respect Eike still holds for Her.

Still, I loved how the discussion went and it was everything I wanted from this social. Given Eike's admiration for Mathilde I wouldn't be surprised if Eike looked quite a bit into Ranald's worship in the near future. Of course, Mathilde's interpretation of Ranald scriptures and philosophy is probably very different from most books and clerymen.

From the other hand, I quite like the way Eike wanted to quietly support Shallya from the sides, similar to how the Empress helped the Shallyans enough to be granted a boon, despite being a ranaldian herself. Something that Ranald probably smiles upon, considering she's the Mother of their Children. Hmm, perhaps Mathilde could also try to do something nice for Shallya.

EDIT : Also, what a frikkin hype update, all parts were amazing and the cliffhanger will be killing me until the next update lol, I might refresh this thread more than is advisable in the forseeable future.

EDIT2 : I feel this update will greatly change the thread's approach to Eike's education considering that a large part of the thread was weary of making Eike act against Shallya's tenets which are admitedly rather restrictive for a Grey Wizard.
 
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JayTar said:
Haven't we reached the point where even if we did pull out all the Waystone project individual partners may well be able to cobble one together?
Either they can make what they need, or now that they know what they need they could make individual deals.

Kinda kills any attempt to put the genie back in the bottle.
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I would pay real money to see an elven prince demand Thorek stop working on a project. Kragg might come team up with him out of pure spite.
KingCrimson1081 said:
Also to really put into perspective just how weird Altdorf is to Wood Elves just remember that Ghur is specifically the anti-civilization anti-city wind and there is apparently just a massive city teeming with it against all odds.
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Wonder how Middenheim is handling it after much longer exposure from the Flame wellspring?
BananaBuddy said:
"Mathilde, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!"
― Prince Eltharion of Yvresse... Probably
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"Good to hear Asarnil's memoirs are still selling in Ulthuan."
Chlof said:
So, I assume this spell is temporary but you have to wonder about some things.
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I don't think it *is* temporary actually. Hence the punishments for graffiti.
 
Wiggy said:
I don't think it *is* temporary actually. Hence the punishments for graffiti.
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I mean, there are a bunch of spells that are felt within a 5 mile radius, and if somebody uses one of these without a really good reason they're gonna get a harsh reaction from their College.

Also, if defacing the sky permanently were as easy as that, it'd be a huge thing in the setting.
 
Somic said:
Also, if defacing the sky permanently were as easy as that, it'd be a huge thing in the setting.
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I mean, going from the casting number it's just a bit shy of battle magic difficulty, so not *that* widespread. And it seems to be fairly subtle in general given you need to pass a check to even notice there *is* a sign, let alone decipher it.
 
As 4e only started releasing after the beginning of this quest and is still releasing books to this day, a lot of it isn't going to be quest canonical because of the cruel shackles of linear time. I consider the details as they reach me and incorporate the ones that are compatible and that I think will enhance the quest. But Mathilde had a good hard look at Ulric's flame several years before the 'wellspring of Ghur' thing was published, and if Mathilde missed a big ol' firehose of Ghur going off right in front of her face she needs to hang up her hat, so it's pretty safe to say that that's going to be one of those things that doesn't end up getting incorporated into DL canon.
 
Somic said:
I mean, there are a bunch of spells that are felt within a 5 mile radius, and if somebody uses one of these without a really good reason they're gonna get a harsh reaction from their College.

Also, if defacing the sky permanently were as easy as that, it'd be a huge thing in the setting.
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spells that have time limits are noted to have time limits. and this spell doesn't, so anyone who is both capable of near battle magic casting and has learned the spell can permanetly add a message in the stars.

it is a possibility that you can remove messages in the stars you put up. but it isn't stated anywhere i have seen.
 
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Feim said:
spells that have time limits are noted to have time limits. and this spell doesn't, so anyone who is both capable of near battle magic casting and has learned the spell can permanetly add a message in the stars.

it is a possibility that you can remove messages in the stars you put up. but it isn't stated anywhere i have seen.
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If that is the case, then star-reading would naturally go up in difficulty as time goes on, with the only people capable of telling that a new message has appeared in the sky are those that have studied the skies enough to be sure that this isn't any of the old messages.
 
@Boney was this action enough to give us Eike's piety as a value or is that the kind of thing we would have to see her engage with something religious to get? I ask because piety is the thing one rolls against corruption so Mathilde would be very interested in it IC I'd say.
 
So if this elf visitor is the kind of person who hates greenskins... chances are good he'll want to pick our brain regarding our Waaaghbane techniques yeah?
 
I really enjoyed the elf tourism section. It really reminded me off the accounts of Chinese explorers describing the middle east and the Roman empire. Cool to see disparate cultures interact for the first time.
 
Raikazin said:
I really enjoyed the elf tourism section. It really reminded me off the accounts of Chinese explorers describing the middle east and the Roman empire. Cool to see disparate cultures interact for the first time.
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Kinda do hope that the Empire will be as welcoming. Currently, the mindset towards elves is likely... slight animosity, due to the whole Marienburg enclave.
 
DragonParadox said:
@Boney was this action enough to give us Eike's piety as a value or is that the kind of thing we would have to see her engage with something religious to get? I ask because piety is the thing one rolls against corruption so Mathilde would be very interested in it IC I'd say.
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No, it gives you its shape but not its depth. What she said would fit just as well if she just thought they were neat as if she was ready to go out and start slitting throats for Shallya tonight.
 
Mopman43 said:
If that is the case, then star-reading would naturally go up in difficulty as time goes on, with the only people capable of telling that a new message has appeared in the sky are those that have studied the skies enough to be sure that this isn't any of the old messages.
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Old messages are likely overwritten over time. Or the sky is an amazing documentary on the history of the world.
 
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I really love the Eike social, particularly given the call-back to Eike's POV and her observations regarding Mathilde:

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His distraction would prove to be to my advantage, as it gave me the opportunity to interject my own questions until the conversation became something of a lecture to an audience of one. I did, I must admit, feel some guilt for having so selfishly diverted the attention of a Lady Magister to my own ends, but if there is one garnered insight into the nature of my Master that I feel quite confident of, it's that she has no aversion to the sound of her own voice.
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Sure enough, Eike recognized the opportunity to pick her Master's brain, replied to Mathilde with questions of her own, and let the Lady Magister prattle on for whole paragraphs to satisfy her curiosity. She's got us wrapped around her finger, that clever girl.
 
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