That's an interesting point, how *do* divine artifacts tend to react to people that no longer have the favor of the god trying to use them? Because I could see a range of possibilities.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Omegahugger
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Hi there Horstmann, how did you enter this conversation?
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That question was more about whether Mathilde has the leeway to take her time to prepare and scout, since it seemed as though we only had one attempt at the assassination. The vibe I'm getting when debating risk feels like Mathilde will be in a rush and under pressure to act once she's inside the bedroom.
I've only just realized that is a very weird context to argue around - shouldn't Mathilde be able to completely play around in Vladimir's bedroom for entire days if she so pleases? (Rhetorical Question) There shouldn't be a concern for time to find the right moment or interruptions.
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We were already told she has a full AP for the job, that is a month of time.
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Yes, and while debating risk it seemed like finding the right moment was basically impossible. We only have one chance to pull it off before interruptions, the potential bustle of people entering in Vladimir's room might prove too difficult to overcome, etc.
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[X] Nighttime Visit With Style
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Please don't ping Boney so he can win an argument for you, especially when he's already given his answer.
Always here with some good advice.
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I wasn't asking another question to Boney though? Just clarifying the intent and thought process which prompted it. I did not see discussion on potential preparations we could make, thought about the context behind that, and tried to confirm it. It wasn't a request for further details.
Edit: seems like you misconstrued the (Rhetorical Question) as a follow-up question, so i edited that post to specify.
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Qrech Expy in Architects of the Great Plan.
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I'm sorry but I got that from a skaven name generator. That was not an intentional reference.
Not intentional by you. We all know the patron deity of this thread.
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Ranald wills it!
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The vote continues to be extremely close. Nighttime Heart Attack is still in the lead, with just 3 votes seperating it from Nighttime Visit With Style.
Mathilde... We are such a heartbreaker.
NuclearConsensus
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[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
I missed a lot of the discussion. What do people perceive as better/different about nighttime heart attack than about nighttime visit with style?
Somic
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success state makes it look like the assassin tried to make it look like a natural death, but a closer examination would pretty easily reveal the "truth";
failure state is pretty much like NVwS but possibly in a weird direction, which in this case is a good thing;
internal injury with no visible cause cleaves much closer to the "if it could only be done by magic, that is good" part than a stab that didn't tear the clothes, which could happen for a number of reasons.
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Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Badly, I imagine. If you're no longer in their favour but they don't actually dislike you I could see them still working normally, but if (for example) Ranald was pissed with Mathilde and she tried to use the coin, then I'd imagine stuff like the Gambler inflicting a -20 at the worst time possible, the Deciever convincing people everything she says is a lie, etc.
[X] Nighttime Visit With Style
-[X] Use Mockery of Death so there is no sign of struggle, then stab him in the heart with a Shadow Knife. Leave the room by Substance of Shadows or Smoke and Mirrors, leaving behind an unnaturally quiet death.
[X] Nighttime Visit
Not being seen by guards, and leaving the Tzar in a locked room, feels sufficiently "magical" to count as a vampire assassin, it's quick and low risk, and it's a clean death that doesn't feel like playing with our food. Seriously, the matrix plan feels kinda... Icky? Just standing by him for an hour weaving an enchanted booby trap into his body, just to set it off immediately? Just doesn't feel good to me.
Plus the whole additional risk of having the assassination take a whole ass hour instead of like, five minutes.
-[X] Use Mockery of Death so there is no sign of struggle, then stab him in the heart with a Shadow Knife. Leave the room by Substance of Shadows or Smoke and Mirrors, leaving behind an unnaturally quiet death.
[X] Nighttime Visit
Not being seen by guards, and leaving the Tzar in a locked room, feels sufficiently "magical" to count as a vampire assassin, it's quick and low risk, and it's a clean death that doesn't feel like playing with our food. Seriously, the matrix plan feels kinda... Icky? Just standing by him for an hour weaving an enchanted booby trap into his body, just to set it off immediately? Just doesn't feel good to me.
Plus the whole additional risk of having the assassination take a whole ass hour instead of like, five minutes.
So if Khaine hates a guy A LOT, and he picks up the Widowmaker, he will simply let the sword work normaly? Because i don't think its possible to make that thing more cursed than it already is.
The idea behind Nighttime Heart Attack is that it will create internal injuries that would only appear suspicious under close inspection. The injuries will be such that it will (hopefully) be obvious to those that investigate the body that magic must have been used, and the use of the matrix will leave traces that will confirm the use of magic if any magical investigators take part in the autopsy.
Proponents of this plan argue that this will make it better for Boris's plan to pin the murder on the Lahmians, as this method will help him argue that an assassin attempted to fake a death by natural causes, thus fulfilling his request of a murder that appears like an assassination where the Lahmian assassin attempted to leave no evidence. This is in contrast to the Nighttime Visit With Style plan that involves stabbing the Tzar in the chest in a way that leaves no doubt that an assassination took place. Boris could still argue that the assassin attempted to hide the fact that they were Lahmians, but this is arguably less subtle than what Boris asked for, and it's less obvious that magic had to have been involved.
The main argument against Nighttime Heart Attack is that it's harder to pull off. To use the Matrix Mathilde must spend an uninterrupted hour doing magic on the Tzar, and if interrupted she must start anew. Detractors of this plan claim that the increase in risk is not worth the supposed benefits of its success, and argue that it is very likely that servants or guards will enter the Tzar's room at some point. In Nighttime Visit With Style Mathilde could kill the Tzar and be out of his room in less than a minute, vastly improving her odds of actually getting away without further complications.
As an answer to this objection, proponents of the plan claim that Mathilde could likely remain hidden even if witnesses enter the room. Some proponents of Nighttime Heart Attack even claim that if Mathilde is interrupted in a way that makes Nighttime Heart Attack impossible to pull off she could simply stab the Tzar and easily escape using magic, achieving an effect not unlike Nighttime Visit With Style. Therefore, Nighttime Heart Attack is sometimes argued to be a strictly superior plan: even its fail state is equal or superior to the success of Nighttime Visit With Style.
Detractors of the plan often disagree with this assesment, and furthermore some claim that the supposed success of the Nighttime Heart Attack wouldn't work out as well as its proponents hope. For evidence of foul play to be found an autoposy has to be preformed, and it's possible that Boris will simply not have one conducted. Even if an autoposy does take place, it's not entirely clear how obvious it will be to whatever physicians Boris employs that magic must have been involved. Therefore, Nighttime Heart Attack is sometimes argued to be a strictly inferior plan: it adds significant risks for literally less than no benefit.
Sinsystems
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Not being seen doesn't make it look inherently magical, that could easily be accomplished via a sufficiently skilled mundane assassin. Also the nighttime visit plan doesn't make it a locked room.