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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Somic said:
Alleged interest, mind you - it's entirely possible that the bird was just saying that to rattle our cage and watch us bounce off the walls, as Algard put it. But to steal a hero who's so adept at channeling divinity is something Tzeentch would likely delight in doing...
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Conversely, I think Ranald would delight in the theft and subversion of the office of the Everchosen - but that's a flight of fancy.
 
I voted for Nighttime heart attack on the basis of the plan as written, which makes no mention of deliberately creating Dhar. If it did I would have voted for something else
 
Orbmorb said:
I voted for Nighttime heart attack on the basis of the plan as written, which makes no mention of deliberately creating Dhar. If it did I would have voted for something else
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My understanding is that Mathilde would try to make it look Dhar tained, without actually being so. Creation of Dhar is a no-no, but she has enough of a grasp of it (and the original matrix) that she might be able to do that.
 
We could probably use our experiments with wind herding/Ulgu tong to throw a bunch of other winds into the corpse (similar to how we showed Eike what the different winds felt like).
 
It's perfectly okay to poke the results so that they curdle weirdly outside of our control; we do it in our studies all the time. It's a loose bunch of activated Ulgu that's going to be inside of a quickly cooling corpse; we won't have to go far to get some Shyish, which is incidentally the flavor of dark magic a Lahmian would be using.
 
I don't think intentionally creating Dhar, even indirectly, is something Mathilde would be anywhere close to comfortable doing. Mimic some superficial effects, maybe. But she's stayed well clear of toying with the actual thing.
 
Yeah it is the intention that matters, plus it is not like the sight of Dhar would even make that much of an impact Ulgu is almost as common among the Lahmian Sisterhood as Dhar. It is crossing an important personal line for marginal gain.
 
Somic said:
I don't think intentionally creating Dhar, even indirectly, is something Mathilde would be anywhere close to comfortable doing. Mimic some superficial effects, maybe. But she's stayed well clear of toying with the actual thing.
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She has deliberately and personally and with the intent of using it in order to benefit from and observe its specific natural properties created Dhar before now.

There's a difference between Dhar the substance as a natural pollutant that we have to work with in order to channel it away from inhabited areas and Dhar the practice as in 'calling upon the powers of Captain Pollution'.

This isn't a line we haven't crossed; it's not even a mark on our moral carpet.
 
chocolote12 said:
She has deliberately and personally and with the intent of using it in order to benefit from and observe its specific natural properties created Dhar before now.

There's a difference between Dhar the substance as a natural pollutant that we have to work with in order to channel it away from inhabited areas and Dhar the practice as in 'calling upon the powers of Captain Pollution'.

This isn't a line we haven't crossed; it's not even a mark on our moral carpet.
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The idea is not in the vote so I think this whole thing is moot anyway, but just for the same of argunent there is a dramatic difference between making Dhar in our tower or on an uninhabited mountain and doing so in the palace. This is a building where people live. Making Dhar here would be making it (slightly) more likely that someone suffers from the effects of Dhar.
 
Also, notably: Every time we've done Dhar-creating stuff intentionally it's with the intent to destroy it with the belt or otherwise ground and thus remove it immediately. We've not created Dhar while wanting it to stick around.
 
As a completely different point- Boris knows anything that happens here is Mathilde's doing.

Do we really want him thinking we actually used Dhar to kill the Tzar?

Ulgu is already commonly used by lahmians, there's no need to take that extra step when it doesn't even increase the overall authenticity.
 
Jakobstj said:
Also, notably: Every time we've done Dhar-creating stuff intentionally it's with the intent to destroy it with the belt or otherwise ground and thus remove it immediately. We've not created Dhar while wanting it to stick around.
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I am pretty sure the Dhar we made on the mountain under Morslieb mostly drifted away, but I agree that in general we did or best not to pollute with the bad magic, certainly not in inhabited locals.
 
If we're just planning to set off the matrix immediately, can't a lot of the complexity be removed in favor of just forming the spell inside of him normally rather than suspending it? Cut down the casting time. As the person who reverse engineered the matrix, I imagine mathilde actually did that a few times in the process as she worked her way up.
 
Prime 2.0 said:
If we're just planning to set off the matrix immediately, can't a lot of the complexity be removed in favor of just forming the spell inside of him normally rather than suspending it? Cut down the casting time. As the person who reverse engineered the matrix, I imagine mathilde actually did that a few times in the process as she worked her way up.
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Would that still have the effect of no external wounds? And even if so, IIRC there was an old WoB that said that kind of spellcasting-at-arms-length took a long time itself. Let me see if I can find it on phone.
 
chocolote12 said:
She has deliberately and personally and with the intent of using it in order to benefit from and observe its specific natural properties created Dhar before now.
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The only time I can think of that we did so deliberately and not as part of an experiment where we weren't sure whether it would result in something else (AV experiments, tongs experiment) is the ratling gun, and that was under Johann's special dispensation.

There is no need to taint the corpse with Dhar. Vampires are known to use Ulgu, snd in this case a Lahmian would prefer not to make it look like something a Lahmian would do.
 
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Mathilde once grabbed a miscast out of our Shyish ducking's head and it curdled into dhar in Mathilde's hand and was immediately burnt by the belt, though the miscast might have been going to result in dhar regardless.

Anyway, the votes do not say anything about Mathilde doing something that results in dhar, so I am going to assume that is not going to happen.
 
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