Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Realistically, even if we manage to catch more than one rider, I think we would start things off binding just one and getting a feel for how much strain it results in.
The action should still be helpful for her even if she doesn't do amazingly in class.
I think it's similar to the idea that even if you don't have a degree in the field, being on a jobsite watching an engineer build a bridge or whatever can still teach you quite a bit.
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The leading plan does all the actions I truly want so I'm feeling pretty great, my only problem with it is that Tochter is missing from the Waystone: Foundation action, which is pretty crazy when the Jade college is the one with the most Waystone knowledge and her results on tributaries and river leylines have been pretty great.
Oh snap, that is kind of a problem... I think adding one person to the foundation action shouldn't change the plan too much or upset people so
@Romv would you add Tochter to the foundation action?
On the other hand, there's a chance that they'd think it was worth the risk of knowledge leakage in order to consult with the inventor of the spell.
I'm also not convinced that the Grey Lords would be the one doing the enchantment, rather than one of the houses. Or that the enchantment of towers can be done off-site.
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- North Wales
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I feel that if, after capturing and binding one, we're told that it will be 2-3AP to repeat the process for the next one, there will be markedly less enthusiasm to repeat it. Being able to pay CF to cut that down by 1AP by offloading the capture process would be helpful if we do decide a second knight would be beneficial (which is not a given at all, in fairness).
Capturing one also isn't risk-free. Some in the thread saw it as so risky that putting the Coin on the action was appealing to mitigate combat danger rather than to maximise chances of finding one.
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- Earth
We don't necessarily need to bind them to Mathilde's soul directly. We can get Gehenna's Golden Hounds (10CF) and Flock of Doom (10CF) and The Dwellers Below (18 CF) as Battle Magic enchantments, so in theory it should be possible for any Ulgu variant we develop.
I think boney said that if we have a method of binding we could do capture and binding in one, it's just for the first time we do not have those techniques and need to develop them. And doing that in the field while a angry warp creature wants our head is a bad work environment.
We were allowed to try capturing drycha after "capturing" her just it was a gigantic risk.
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If we're okay with editing the action, I'd strongly prefer to see Aksel on the action too. Not having the only representative of a magical paradigm during the initial examination just seems crazy to me. And Aksel also performed excellently with the Leylines.
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- Argentina
Adding to it, we should also have one of the Golds in there too.
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- California, USA
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- He/Him
I really don't think it's ethical to make even a very minor change to a plan after more than like five people have voted for it.
LawofRobotics, who made the plan before the offshoot, stated their reasons for leaving some of them out here:
I personally don't like leaving Aksel or Tochter out either, but then I also don't like Eike on five actions. I don't hate it enough that I'm not willing to compromise and vote for it, because I like pretty much everything else. Sometimes quests just be like that.
LawofRobotics, who made the plan before the offshoot, stated their reasons for leaving some of them out here:
Whether you agree with those reasons or not, it wasn't an oversight, it was a decision with thought put into it and editing it afterwords would be shitty to all the voters who do agree with that reasoning.
I personally don't like leaving Aksel or Tochter out either, but then I also don't like Eike on five actions. I don't hate it enough that I'm not willing to compromise and vote for it, because I like pretty much everything else. Sometimes quests just be like that.
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Worst case scenario we can always repeat the foundations action next turn with the missing perspectives. It's not super efficient, but arguably throwing everyone onto the same action isn't efficient either.
The only time limit we have is "before the project members die of old age", and most of them can't actually die that way.
The only time limit we have is "before the project members die of old age", and most of them can't actually die that way.
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- UK
It is a bit premature to talk about, but binding to our soul isn't the only potential method. As an enchanter, we could bind them to an item for example. Of course, as is the nature of such things that path leads to inevitable thoughts of Windherder and multi-wind apparitions.
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As @AsuraAtlas pointed out, their omission was intentional because I didn't feel like their presence outweighed the complexity of Boney having to write more characters into the scene. If you want to add different people to the action, please make a plan variant and convince people to approval vote it, don't change an existing plan.
edit: Also anything the Jade Order knows about drawing power from Waystones I expect at least Hatalath and Sarvoi to know as well.
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One thing we could probably do with the Red Riders is use the spell to protect some of the future Waystones in places where we can't ensure that they can be easily protected.
Like if we need to set one up in the middle of the Empire's forests, especially in a place that can't be checked regularly, then it would be a good idea to bind a few Red Riders there to act as a guard with orders to deal with anyone messing with them that don't provide the pass codes first.
Like if we need to set one up in the middle of the Empire's forests, especially in a place that can't be checked regularly, then it would be a good idea to bind a few Red Riders there to act as a guard with orders to deal with anyone messing with them that don't provide the pass codes first.
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- Actually pretty lost
Boney's never had any trouble including characters in a scene, or having them stay silent if they have nothing to add. This is very strange reasoning, to me.
Regardless, here's a plan with everyone on Foundations, so we can accurately judge who has anything to add to future actions:
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope, Foundation Corrected
-[X] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Rider in Red)
--[X] The Gambler
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Seviroscope)
-[X] MAX: Study an artefact (Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands)
-[X] Attempt to create a liminal realm
-[X] Waystone: Foundation (Everyone)
-[X] Tributary: International (Kislev) (Zlata, Niedzwenka, Aksel, Tochter, Cadaeth)
-[X] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[X] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[X] SERENITY: Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands (Egrimm as primary author)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler (Hunt an apparition)
-[X] Eike Actions: Lustrian books and rubbings study, Windfall paper, Windherder enchanting, EIC negotiation
-[X] Eike Study: Enchanting class at the Grey College (1 CF)
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
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I mean, they don't mention Tochter in their explanation so that might have actually been an oversight.
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes and Ranald
[X] Plan Roadmap to Success + Ranald Liminal
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike & Seviriscope, no speculum
[X] Plan Redshirt v4 (Sevirscope)
[x] Plan Redshirt v4.53236
Approval voting for everyone in foundation too:
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope, Foundation Corrected
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes and Ranald
[X] Plan Roadmap to Success + Ranald Liminal
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike & Seviriscope, no speculum
[X] Plan Redshirt v4 (Sevirscope)
[x] Plan Redshirt v4.53236
Approval voting for everyone in foundation too:
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope, Foundation Corrected
I do not think we should change the vote, not only because it has good odds to just split the vote and let something else that does not have those changes in it anyway, but also because if it does not work this time we can bring them in next time. We have been batting 100% on waystone actions, no one is going to explode if we hit a snag
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
Boney has said that binding the Apparition to your soul is what gives you a strong leash to pull on, and that while you can bind the Apparitions to an object, it's a lot easier to lose an object than a soul.
So it's a bit unappealing, in a way.
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The magic of approval voting is that noone needs to split any votes.
More seriously, if we don't have them on the Foundation action now, we'll have no indication of if they have anything to add later on, and without that knowledge we're not going to redo an action.