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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Loltop said:
*Side eyes the former Nordland villages piled with slain innocent over chopped down trees*
Which ones aren't the murder happy tree cultists again?
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Maybe the ones who did that once, not regularly? And because said innocents were the symptom of an existential threat to them, not for fun? Or maybe the ones who aren't ruled by a half-spirit lady?
 
Loltop said:
*Side eyes the former Nordland villages piled with slain innocent over chopped down trees*
Which ones aren't the murder happy tree cultists again?
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The ones that regretted it after doing it as a last resort to survive as a people as opposed to the ones who make a festival over it. There is a difference between killing trespassers and making a season of The Most Dangerous Game out of them

Loltop said:
American equivalent is killing illegal immigrants for chopping down phone wires for rubber. Yes those wires are all cool and junk, but seal team six would look like murder-happy wire cultists for depopulating a few towns over it
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No the American equivalent would be King Philip's War, only more successful. The Eonir are not a hyper-power trying to get rid of immigrants coming to join their state as citizens, they are trying to drive back hostile settlement at the blade of an axe.
 
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Loltop said:
American equivalent is killing illegal immigrants for chopping down phone wires for rubber. Yes those wires are all cool and junk, but seal team six would look like murder-happy wire cultists for depopulating a few towns over it
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I wasn't aware Phone wires were preventing the world being overrun with literal demons.
Not saying what the Eonir did was good, but after centuries of saying "Could you not do this one thing" I can see how they reached that point.
 
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Tobtorp said:
There is a difference but i do think it will be lost on the bretonnians...
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Probably, but then again the simple fact that both have pointy ears will be enough for most Bretonians to lump them together. Most Bretonians are illiterate peasants who have never left their villages and whose knowledge of elves is scary nursery rhymes. The high nobles who have to engage in courtly politics should be able to tell the difference though.
 
Loltop said:
American equivalent is killing illegal immigrants for chopping down phone wires for rubber. Yes those wires are all cool and junk, but seal team six would look like murder-happy wire cultists for depopulating a few towns over it
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Phone wires aren't one of the only thing preventing the US from getting turned into a nightmarish realm of death and terror. And Laurelorn isn't exactly the US in that analogy, it's more like the Natives during the conquest of the West.
 
picklepikkl said:
It's only been a year and a half since Heidi came to talk to us. While I expect that we'll get a social action (voted for or external) when he officially joins the Colleges, he's not even nine years old yet; too young to become an Apprentice. So maybe in a couple more turns?

I do agree that Celestial is a likely college for him to go to, assuming he has aptitude for magic as a whole and doesn't turn out to have a very specific affinity for a particular Wind. Bright and Jade also seem like reasonable possibilities. As for introducing him to Hubert -- eh, maybe? Not sure Heidi will want her son to take as a role model a devout Ulrican, given that Mandred is being raised publicly Sigmarite and privately Ranaldian. And obviously her wishes about the kid's upbringing are what matter, rather than Mathilde's.
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Celestial is actually bad fit for Ranaldian. I remember Boney saying that Ranald gets pissy if you use fate/luck spells rather than asking him and majoiry of Celestial spell book is such spells.
 
Tasoli said:
Celestial is actually bad fit for Ranaldian. I remember Boney saying that Ranald gets pissy if you use fate/luck spells rather than asking him and majoiry of Celestial spell book is such spells.
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Maybe, but Ranald isn't going to be emperor, and Celestial magic has far more than just divination no matter what some of the college might prefer.

Also Azyr is the wind probably closest to Ulric and Sigmar, so if he has to potentially become emperor its likely the option that most of the Empire would be most likely to accept.
 
NavySeel said:
Maybe, but Ranald isn't going to be emperor, and Celestial magic has far more than just divination no matter what some of the college might prefer.

Also Azyr is the wind probably closest to Ulric and Sigmar, so if he has to potentially become emperor its likely the option that most of the Empire would be most likely to accept.
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I am pretty sure we already put ambitions for Mandred to become Emperor aside. More to point Mandred is a Ranaldine, Not Ulrican or worse Sigmarite so pissing off his patron god for others is bad strategy so much so I don't even understand why you would try it.

*Also saying any kind of magic is close Sigmar is quick way to piss of every Sigmarite. And Hubert might have said he beares Ulrics lightining all he wants, not even Ulrikadrin accepted that seeing him as wizard over Ulrican for the longest time to point Mathiled took shots at them for it in conversation.
 
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Tasoli said:
Celestial is actually bad fit for Ranaldian. I remember Boney saying that Ranald gets pissy if you use fate/luck spells rather than asking him and majoiry of Celestial spell book is such spells.
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If Boney said that then I don't recall it
Maybe I forgot or just missed the post

But I feel like there ought to be more wiggle room than that
Ranald has 4 faces and only one of them is particularly focused on the whims of random chance and luck
And we know for a fact that not everyone worships every face equally, or in the same manner
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"I know. I'm not here to talk to my Grey Wizard friend, I'm here to talk to Mandred's Godmother. You're..." She looks at you, considering. "Deceiver and Protector by nature, right?"

You consider that. "I suppose so. Night Prowler situationally, Gambler when I need to and when I want to get His attention."

"Right. You're sort of balanced, you have a relationship with all of Him. But my relationship is entirely with the Gambler. Even when I deceive, I'm... well, look at me. The stakes don't get higher than this, do they? That's the Ranald I know. I take risks, the boldest and most stylish ones I can find, and He's right there alongside me and together we ride out the aftermath and pick the pockets of those who couldn't. And I think that's why Mandred is the way he is now. Just as he shaped that horse, I shaped him."
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Mathilde herself is very partial to stacking the deck in her favor as much as possible before taking any big risks (due to being controlled by a committee of paranoid voters who've invested far too much into this quest to tolerate having her blowing herself up because she took a big risk without prep)
And her relationship with Ranald in general is very nonstandard, closer than a priest in some ways yet emphatically not a priest

And during the Drakenhof mining operation we used the Gambler on it while also explicitly seeking out Celestial clairvoyance in order to maximize our chances at recovering BOOK, with no hint of Ranald disapproving
Sure Mathilde herself wasn't casting Celestial Magic but she was relying on it, and in the same scene she was actively utilizing Ranalds luck shenanigans at the same time too

It really doesn't feel like a Celestial couldn't be a Ranaldite if they were so inclined, and still mess around with fortelling
 
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Tasoli said:
I am pretty sure we already put ambitions for Mandred to become Emperor aside. More to point Mandred is a Ranaldine, Not Ulrican or worse Sigmarite so pissing off his patron god for others is bad strategy so much so I don't even understand why you would try it.

*Also saying any kind of magic is close Sigmar is quick way to piss of every Sigmarite. And Hubert might have said he beares Ulrics lightining all he wants, not even Ulrikadrin accepted that seeing him as wizard over Ulrican for the longest time to point Mathiled took shots at them for it in conversation.
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I don't think we should push for Mandred to become emperor but if it comes down to it we absolutely should be prepared for the fact that there might not be a better choice.

Also good to know the literal child has permanently pledged himself to Ranald.

I also never said it was close, I said closest.
 
I think that Mandred should go Grey for one very important reason: shounen protagonist Eike. It feels fitting that her Master's second student would end up being a literal prince.
 
CrimsonOddball said:
If Boney said that then I don't recall it
Maybe I forgot or just missed the post

But I feel like there ought to be more wiggle room than that
Ranald has 4 faces and only one of them is particularly focused on the whims of random chance and luck
And we know for a fact that not everyone worships every face equally, or in the same manner
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IT was about getting some Rune about fate(?) for Mathiled I think. Something that would make her luckier or something like that and Boney noted that Ranald would be offended that she was relying on something other than him for luck. So you know, perhaps Mandred will have adifferent relationship.
NavySeel said:
Also good to know the literal child has permanently pledged himself to Ranald.
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Baptised at birth. Mathilde was the one that did it actually. IT is not permenant if Mandred wants out in the future but why would you even bring that up? If he was the kind that would do that Ranald would probably not spend that much power on him and we know he looks to his future from time to time.
 
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A Ranaldian Celestial Wizard could figure out a way to make it work. The discussion about the intersection between Ranald and the Lore of Heavens was in the specific context of Mathilde commissioning luck-based enchantments.

VoiceOfTheRiders said:
If Mandred joins the Grey College how will the Grey College oaths interact with him becoming Priince of Reikland?
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The Grey College would work something out if it looked like Mandred was better attuned to Ulgu than any of the other Winds.
 
xamaplak said:
I think that Mandred should go Grey for one very important reason: shounen protagonist Eike. It feels fitting that her Master's second student would end up being a literal prince.
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Grey is probably just flat out the worst option for him besides maybe Amethyst.
CrimsonOddball said:
If Boney said that then I don't recall it
Maybe I forgot or just missed the post

But I feel like there ought to be more wiggle room than that
Ranald has 4 faces and only one of them is particularly focused on the whims of random chance and luck
And we know for a fact that not everyone worships every face equally, or in the same manner


Mathilde herself is very partial to stacking the deck in her favor as much as possible before taking any big risks (due to being controlled by a committee of paranoid voters who've invested far too much into this quest to tolerate having her blowing herself up because she took a big risk without prep)
And her relationship with Ranald in general is very nonstandard, closer than a priest in some ways yet emphatically not a priest

It really doesn't feel like a Celestial couldn't be a Ranaldite if they were so inclined, and still mess around with fortelling
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Personally the best face for Mandred to cleave towards is definitely the Protector.
 
Tasoli said:
IT was about getting some Rune about fate(?) for Mathiled I think. Something that would make her luckier or something like that and Boney noted that Ranald would be offended that she was relying on something other than him for luck. So you know, perhaps Mandred will have adifferent relationship.

Baptised at birth. Mathilde was the one that did it actually.
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I'm pretty sure that was in the context of Mathilde asking another outside source for magical luck manipulation. A hypothetical Celestial Ranaldian using their own personal magic for luck manipualtion would be fine--it's their own magic/soul after all. Ranald is fine with Mathy using her Ulgu for sneakiness instead of somehow propiating Ranald for it. Conversely, he might be miffed at hypothetical Celestial Ranaldian asking for a custom Ulgu sneakyness item.
 
flaviusb said:
Teclis was trying to fulfill the prophecy (but twist it so that it worked out 'well') with himself as the firstborn son of noble blood
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Teclis is the younger twin though.

Talon TigerDino said:
It would be weird for the Avatar of Khaine to shack up with Morathi, considering that Khaine has told both Aenarion and Malekith to kill Morathi.
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Khaine told Aenarion to kill literally everybody at some point. And it wouldn't surprise me if he'd told Malekith that too.
 
Huh, actually thinking about things Karak Vlag are apparently far less restrictive with their Rune lore, to the point of it not being a guild and anyone who can learn being taught.

When we get to the point of actually trying to make Waystones they could probably provide a lot of help, if they've reached the point of leaving their Karak more often.
 
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