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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Max's daily activities, what we know of them anyway, alternate between smithing, writing papers and laboratory experimentation
His only combat ability and training that we know of is spellcasting, namely silver arrows but also a couple others

He's probably not unfit, but I do get the impression that he's somewhat disproportionately muscled compared to Johann or Mathilde
And not built for long bushwacking treks through thick forests
 
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My read on the hiking scene is simply, well... Johann literally cannot tire due to his gilding and Mathilde has an Aethyric Armour Mastery that keeps her from becoming physically fatigued. It's not that Max is out of shape or a delicate flower (even if he is a city boy, that involves a lot of walking to get from place to place), it's that the other two on the hike are cheating. Of course he would lag behind, he's the only one still on Human version 1.0!
 
HavocKeeper said:
That he can't keep up with Mathilde and Johann while marching through a forest doesn't necessarily mean he's not in good shape. Johann is Gilded from the neck down and Mathilde probably walks more stairs in a week than I do in six months.
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Don't forget that Mathilde's Aetheric Armour mastery makes her immune to exhaustion.

Boney said:
M / Aethyric Armour: Magic wraps around you and acts as armour, with effectiveness based on your mastery of magic.
Mastery - Indefatigable: While Aethyric Armour is active, you do not tire from physical exertion.
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Edit: Pickled.
 
Mathilde also has a robe of constant mage armor and never get tired mage armor.

It is unfair to compare Max to her and Johann
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CrimsonOddball said:
Max's daily activities, what we know of them anyway, alternate between smithing, writing papers and laboratory experimentation
His only combat ability and training that we know of is spellcasting, namely silver arrows but also a couple others

He's probably not unfit, but I do get the impression that he's somewhat disproportionately muscled compared to Johann or Mathilde
And not built for long bushwacking treks through thick forests
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Johann: have you met our lord and saviour, Punch-grungni?
 
pucflek said:
He might be a delicate city flower, but he is shredded.
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picklepikkl said:
My read on the hiking scene is simply, well... Johann literally cannot tire due to his gilding and Mathilde has an Aethyric Armour Mastery that keeps her from becoming physically fatigued. It's not that Max is out of shape or a delicate flower (even if he is a city boy, that involves a lot of walking to get from place to place), it's that the other two on the hike are cheating. Of course he would lag behind, he's the only one still on Human version 1.0!
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Codex said:
She has to recast it every few minutes, which Boney has mentioned before risks miscasting, just so we don't start thinking about abusing it. I doubt she was doing that all the time.
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So what you're saying is, on the scale of physical fitness Max is way more jacked then average, but Mathilde and Johann are just so ripped they make him look like a normal person trailing after Max would. And that's very impressive for Mathilde specifically, who probably wasn't using magic but still managed to keep up with gilded Johann ahead of beefcake Max.

Honestly, I enjoyed this. Divided loyalties six-pack tierlist when :V
 
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pucflek said:
Yes, and the current day is closer to founding of the Tower of Hoeth than Old Ones leaving is. As a matter of fact, The White Tower predates Empire by measly six centuries at best as it was built by a Phoenix King that started his reign in -6XX IC.

I am not saying the Elves forgot everything, but quite frankly, if they remembered who they were properly, they wouldn't be launching expeditions into Lustria and then wonder what the fuck Lizardmen were. So yeah, institutional continuity my ass.

I would trust Eonir to have better info.

EDIT: Eshin'd by Mopman.
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There are probably elves on Ulthuan who remember the creation of the Vortex, and the Everqueen hivemind-entity has existed since the early days of the Coming of Chaos.

And while the Sundering was a mess, all but one of the pre-Sundering states survived, as did the institution of the Phoenix King. The surviving states presumably had surviving libraries, academies, and schools inside most of their capitals, which we have no record of falling.

The elves have also presumably had retrocognitive magic like the Tale of Metal and quite possibly superior High Magic versions using Hysh to gain additional insights built in to recover lost knowledge. Not to mention magic to speak to the souls of their dead and ask them.

The Tower of Hoeth doesn't mark the start of the high elves' scholarship, it marks them collating and centralising how they go about storing and disseminating it.

The elves not knowing details about Lizardmen doesn't mean they don't remember the Old Ones that taught them. And they could be launching expeditions to Lustria not to learn about who the Lizardmen are, but their current condition.
 
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Tobtorp said:
How are you so wise in the ways of science?
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Assuming you're talking about my Citation no Jutsu, the secret, in all seriousness, is that I have a terrible memory.

(Seriously, it's real bad. I have a million reminders and calendar notes and so on and still forget things. It's to the point where my fiancée actually believes me when I say I've forgotten something I promised to do, though it probably helps that as part of an atemporal bargain made between my past, present, and future selves I assume the responsibility even if I don't remember making the commitment. I'd be real easy to gaslight, is my point.)

Consequently to this and growing up in the computer age, I've gotten real good at searching things like my chat archives and email using a variety of different phrasings to chase down various things I am trying to bring to mind. This is a transferable skill to quests, especially since SV's search function is really quite good; it does good fuzzy search for variations on a word (e.g. plural or verb forms of a noun) and you can easily drop some useful constraints on it to narrow the field. So the main skill I've developed as a coping mechanism to get through my day-to-day life has the side benefit of being helpful to others in this beloved quest of ours (and winning large amounts of nerd cred, which is always nice); it's always nice when things you acquire for one reason end up being handy for another, more fun reason.
Altom said:
How do we unlock your nerdiest form? :V
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Play in LARPs with me.

(Seriously, though, if you're interested in theatrical LARPing, especially but not only if you're in the New York City or Boston metropolitan areas, shoot me a PM. Always happy to evangelize my #1 hobby.)
IronFist said:
How old is Roswita? 30ish?
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Roswita is sixish years younger than Mathilde:
Boney said:
he had a daughter only six years your younger
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So with Mathilde about to turn 40, Roswita is somewhere in the neighborhood of 34.

(Unfun fact: Roswita has been Elector-Countess of Stirland for nearly twice as long as her father was. He ruled for seven years, she took office in the middle of 2477, and it's currently the end of 2489, twelve years and sixish months later.)
 
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I feel like very fit dwarves probably have fairly well defined upper bodies, then somewhat rounded stomachs. Partly because it just fits better for the sort build they have, partly because that tends to be how people who are fit by necessity instead of because they're hitting the gym look (like lumberjacks and constriction workers) and mostly because they drink just...so much beer.
 
adaer said:
I feel like very fit dwarves probably have fairly well defined upper bodies, then somewhat rounded stomachs. Partly because it just fits better for the sort build they have, partly because that tends to be how people who are fit by necessity instead of because they're hitting the gym look (like lumberjacks and constriction workers) and mostly because they drink just...so much beer.
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Power-bellies are where it's at.
 
adaer said:
I feel like very fit dwarves probably have fairly well defined upper bodies, then somewhat rounded stomachs. Partly because it just fits better for the sort build they have, partly because that tends to be how people who are fit by necessity instead of because they're hitting the gym look (like lumberjacks and constriction workers) and mostly because they drink just...so much beer.
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The problem with that assumption is that you're ascribing human biology to non-human beings. For all we know, dwarves might have 3 livers, or even wholly different organs.
 
Codex said:
She has to recast it every few minutes, which Boney has mentioned before risks miscasting, just so we don't start thinking about abusing it. I doubt she was doing that all the time.
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If physical exhaustion accumulation becomes literally zero while active then it's as if she took a nice long break to lay down whenever she casts it. That's still cheating even if cast once every 30-60 minutes.
 
Alratan said:
Liathalissen sounds an awful lot like an elven name, and we know the Colleges (by the 2500s) have access to a fair range of elven texts on magic and deep history, along with what Teclis taught them. I think he told them about the Old Ones.
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I must say, with absolutely nothing backing my hunch but a feel, Liathalissen sounds more like the name of an Elder Dragon or something than an elf.
 
Rafin said:
If physical exhaustion accumulation becomes literally zero while active then it's as if she took a nice long break to lay down whenever she casts it. That's still cheating even if cast once every 30-60 minutes.
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If that's the case then Mathilde can use it while running to ensure that she's always taking a break while she's hoofing it, making it impossible to pin her down unless her enemy is faster than her. A situation like the Goblins in Karak Lhune then becomes completely threatless, which is exactly what Boney likely doesn't want. I don't even want to continue this discussion because this is exactly what led to the Seed of Regrowth becoming the Seed of Reattachment.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
S tier: Kadoh, Deathfang, Cython
A tier: Mathilde, Johann, Asarnil, practically every dwarf ever
B tier: Max, Hubert, Pan, Eike
C tier: Roswita, Anton, Adela
D tier: Heidi, Gretel, Egrimm, most elves
F tier: Teclis
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Mathilde explicitly called out Roswita as having muscles:
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She seems to have aged faster than the few years it's been would allow, and has put on muscle and is wearing the leathers you previously saw her in much more naturally.
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Mathilde doesn't stop to count that unless it's a significant change or it's a defining feature. I wouldn't put her in the same tier as non-combatant Anton, she was fighting for survival every week during the Stirland campaign.
 
I mean I also wouldn't put her in the same tier as non-combatant but it's worth noting that Mathilde explicitly called her out as having muscles nine years ago.
 
Any guesses as to who's the social interaction initiated by others? I would say it's probably one of:

-Cadaeth, to tell us that our Wayshard is ready
-Francesco, to tell us that spider silk is finally happening
-Wilhelmina, to tell us that the canals are completed
-Marienburg, to say that they're sorry about the Skull River thing and here's their library by way of apology
-Belegar and Roswita, to tell us of their engagement
-Teclis, who is back from buying milk and very proud of us

Any other plausible ideas?
 
picklepikkl said:
Consequently to this and growing up in the computer age, I've gotten real good at searching things like my chat archives and email using a variety of different phrasings to chase down various things I am trying to bring to mind.
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That's basically the essence of high level academic research and scholarship. You don't remember things, you remember how to find those things. A lot of my librarianship Masters degree was dedicated to not only the seeking of information, but how to make that information findable.

Honestly, I think it's a skill that should be taught and developed at a much lower level, because it's so important in the modern age.

lots of people said:
[various criticisms of my tier list]
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I'd like to point out that Anton, Roswita, and Adela are all chads, and the only reason they are all so low down is because the other ranks are full of people who are basically bullshit.
 
mathymancer said:
Any guesses as to who's the social interaction initiated by others? I would say it's probably one of:

-Cadaeth, to tell us that our Wayshard is ready
-Francesco, to tell us that spider silk is finally happening
-Wilhelmina, to tell us that the canals are completed
-Marienburg, to say that they're sorry about the Skull River thing and here's their library by way of apology
-Belegar and Roswita, to tell us of their engagement
-Teclis, who is back from buying milk and very proud of us

Any other plausible ideas?
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Tochter, gushing about the Belthani writings.

Edit: Oh wait, you want plausible.

Albion Truthsayers arriving to join the project.
 
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