Everchosen also need substantial divine backing, Nagash has, like, the exact opposite of that.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think the real thing is
Nagash alone has more hype than the majority of Everchosen.
It's the position that's famous, rarely the actors.
Nagash has enough swag to put some respect on his name.
Nagash alone has more hype than the majority of Everchosen.
It's the position that's famous, rarely the actors.
Nagash has enough swag to put some respect on his name.
One nation is infinitely times as many as the zero nations we're aware of all the Everchosen put together destroying.
Also, Nehekhara was also, many nations for most of its history, only twice united, once by Settra and once by Alcazzidar.
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Aranfan
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Also necromancy is kinda just... better than chaos magic. In a not inconsiderable number of ways.
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Nehekhara as destroyed by Nagash is also much bigger than any of the nations that weren't destroyed by the everchosen.
It was as big as the empire, kislev and bretonnia put together.
It was as big as the empire, kislev and bretonnia put together.
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The simplest explanation, to me, would be that the liminal border is reality. The Aethyr is the infinite expanse in which various "realities" are floating, similar to what you get in MtG (blind eternities), DC comics (the Bleed), Exalted (Wyld) and many many other fantasy settings. Malus, its solar system and the whole material universe it is located in is like a living cell, and the liminal space is its protective membrane. When a bubble is blown within it, it is "empty" insofar there isn't any stuff inside, but it is still fundamentally an extension of the material realm within whose membrane it is located, especially if the bubble in question was blown into the membrane from within and not from without.
It would be different if Mathilde had catapulted the AV straight into the Aethyr, but essentially the AV never fully left reality and exploded into Winds just as it would have done anywhere else, this time agitated by the pressure of being embedded into the liminal border and the sudden proximity to (but not contact with) the Aethyr.
Or at least this seems like the simplest explanation to me that doesn't require the overthrowing of older thaumaturgical theories, let alone the stipulation of one or more external entities governing the Winds.
I'm fairly confident it's referring to either the grey college or the colleges as a whole as a little magic club to be condescending. I mean, to be fair Mathilde herself kinda gives the demon props for its perfect spellcasting ability in the update, so human wizards propably are fairly rank amateurs by tzeentchian greater demon standards.
Given that map projection, it's possibly even bigger than all the Old World.
True, but on the other hand they could have strong distinctions, we do not know until we actually stab something that is not an asp with a bucket close to hand. Why not try the simple experiment before we look for ways it must be complicated? The former might be enough.
I personally think that Mathy's bad naming sense is an important character trait.
A bit of silliness makes powerful, knowledgeable, influential characters better. it adds a good bit of depth.
serous mathy would be boring mathy.
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It would actually be really cool if there was a whole RPG setting in ancient Nehkara that used the rise of Nagash as it's looming big bad. It'd be easier to keep the villains cohesive (just chaos, no skaven or vampires yet to confuse things) and to put equipment into tiers. (Greenskins have stone and copper, humans have bronze, elves and dwarves have steel.)
Plus, like, ancient Egypt actually seems way more culturally pseudo-modern than any of the post-apoclyptic early iron age stuff that came out of the bronze age collapse, so I think the RPG tropes would actually fit in better. High education, skimpy outfits, little famine or disease.
And it'd been a nice change of pace from the forest/mountain/dungeon settings that largely ignore long range and high mobility clashes.
Plus, like, ancient Egypt actually seems way more culturally pseudo-modern than any of the post-apoclyptic early iron age stuff that came out of the bronze age collapse, so I think the RPG tropes would actually fit in better. High education, skimpy outfits, little famine or disease.
And it'd been a nice change of pace from the forest/mountain/dungeon settings that largely ignore long range and high mobility clashes.
If i had to guess then Mathilde probably heard in school about spells like Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma and asked if she could name her spells too if she made them herself. And no one said no so now they have to deal with it.
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Ah. I see. Well that pops a hole in my theory. I suppose it's back to the drawing board.
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I was just quoting monty python
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I said I was looking forward to the second part? I really like the second part too.
This line is so perfectly him in my mind. SO many layers could be read into it, and on the surface he's just being a bit arrogant.
There is the outside possibility that it's just having two Lord Magisters here, but nah. The way the apprentice just transparently knows who she is actually makes this while trying more likely to go paecefully. Good-good.
I'm fascinated by the way you are setting up an actual conversation with a skaven power so well- there's nothing in any of this that feels Deus ex machina, and the character humor is on point. More please!
This line is so perfectly him in my mind. SO many layers could be read into it, and on the surface he's just being a bit arrogant.
There is the outside possibility that it's just having two Lord Magisters here, but nah. The way the apprentice just transparently knows who she is actually makes this while trying more likely to go paecefully. Good-good.
I'm fascinated by the way you are setting up an actual conversation with a skaven power so well- there's nothing in any of this that feels Deus ex machina, and the character humor is on point. More please!
Gorkamorka had probably the best GW rules for combat involved vehicles that could be adapted for something like this.
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<insert "this cat has seen god" meme>No. She just inferred the existence of Boney.
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It's unclear how much of that was really Nehekhara. Like, the territory they claimed flat out includes Barakl Varr, which I highly doubt they actually controlled. I suspect that map is closer to "stuff we won military victories in so we decided we own it" rather than territory they really controlled.
Also, comparing them by size isn't really great. Nagash didn't destroy Nehekhara by military might. He destroyed it by poisoning the river everyone needed to live.
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So he only dunked on the efforts of the chosen champion that embodies the attributes prized by at least two of the Chaos Gods, not all four?
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It would explain why they have the natures that they do: AV is a psychoreactive substance, so depending on what one is casting, it would explain why Apparitions look the way they do or why they are attracted to only certain kinds of magic. It doesn't explain everything, but it sounds like a good jump-off point for a different researcher to do some investigating.
Edit: ...Nevermind, that wouldn't track entirely. That sounded a lot better in my head before I reread what I wrote down.
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Also, most of their territory is empty desert.
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[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
I mean the question is what the Everchosen did outside of the west of the old world, Morkar basically killed most living beings north of the Empire considering the later state of the Gospodar when they repopulated Kislev .
And well we don't know what Belakor killed during the dawn of chaos , but then the position of Everchosen, is also much younger then Nagash amusingly as its only 2500 years old so we roughly get one every 200ish years . OOC we have details about 5 of them
I would argue that yes he is the creator of necromancy, that it is also not a static art as we see with spells that are clearly newer applications of it that he didn't have back then.
And while his first return ended with him throwing a hissy fit as he failed to conquer Khemri and so poisoning the nile , his second return after that ended with sigmar, the third one had him much weakened, but that one got retconed away to be replaced by the end times.
And well we don't know what Belakor killed during the dawn of chaos , but then the position of Everchosen, is also much younger then Nagash amusingly as its only 2500 years old so we roughly get one every 200ish years . OOC we have details about 5 of them
I would argue that yes he is the creator of necromancy, that it is also not a static art as we see with spells that are clearly newer applications of it that he didn't have back then.
And while his first return ended with him throwing a hissy fit as he failed to conquer Khemri and so poisoning the nile , his second return after that ended with sigmar, the third one had him much weakened, but that one got retconed away to be replaced by the end times.
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No? The Ungols were living there and continued to live there? At no point is the Gospodar success blamed on "the Ungols were depopulated by Morkar 1500 years earlier".
And we know Cathay and Naggaroth certainly didn't fall to any Everchosen.
