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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sigmar is the premier god of the Empire and the Dwarf Friend god. If we are enacting our anti-Sigmar agenda in the new human community at the very significant K8P, that will get back to the Empire. Marginalising Sigmar here has to be a much bigger deal to the church than making Ranald the patron of the Stirland Watch - they will care, they have clout and it will cause us trouble.
 
Kornet said:
given the overall chiche-ness of these series,
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Stabreim is happily lounging on their treasure bed, too busy counting their wealth to listen to haters.
Kornet said:
I wouldn't get my hopes too high. In, say, 5 years? Quite probably. But for now, we are too young in our rank of magister, and they will observe and wait if we are going to crash and burn as spectacularly as we have risen.
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No no, I'm not saying we get promoted immediately, of course not.

I'm saying if A Random Wizard Lord had the opportunity we do, would the Grey Order consider it a worthwhile use of their time?

I suspect the answer is "Hell yes, you are doing this For The Good Of The Empire".
 
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Kornet said:
I wonder just how exactly will we split the responsibility with the Head Ranger - because an external spymistress position has significant overlap with his duties.

At least we have very good relations with him, so it's unlikely to devolve into a bitter rivalry.
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I imagine that the way it'll go is Ulthar and his Rangers will be officially responsible for keeping an eye on goblin and Skaven movements within Karag Eight Peaks, with Mathilde and/or the mercenaries being occasionally "on-loan" when necessary.

Similarly, Mathilde will be officially responsible for keeping an eye on external issues, but will be able to "loan" some rangers from Ulthar if the need arises.
 
So one thing I am wondering, what are the chances of Nippon Ninja secrets being on sale from one of the merchants that will inevitably pass through?
 
Meanwhile, in grand master quest, everyone is panicking. The Grey Wizard is STILL ON TOP OF THEM. They decided to base themselves in a new town far outside the empire, and not only is the Grey wizard their NEW MAYOR, she's buddies with the local ruler, who the voters chose partially because the elector counts had just failed him. The people who voted to stay in the empire are in full I-Told-You-So mode about how there is no escape, the QM is being accused of railroading, and a small group of voters suggesting that maybe she wasn't here for them are getting called delusional waifu-ists.
 
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noliar said:
Sigmar is the premier god of the Empire and the Dwarf Friend god. If we are enacting our anti-Sigmar agenda in the new human community at the very significant K8P, that will get back to the Empire. Marginalising Sigmar here has to be a much bigger deal to the church than making Ranald the patron of the Stirland Watch - they will care, they have clout and it will cause us trouble.
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If the Sigmarites didn't want to be marginalized, then they should have actually contributed to the expedition. :V
 
Thor's Twin said:
Low. The merchants would have to find the Nippon Ninja's first, which means that any techniques that are acquired wouldn't be very good. After all, those Nippon Ninja's were found.
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True, although we could make it known to some of the outgoing trader headed in that direction that we are very interested in such a thing. So that would increase the chances and quality since the trader would actively be looking for it. Plus the sort of people who make the trek and survive aren't slouches most of the time at finding things.
 
noliar said:
Sigmar is the premier god of the Empire and the Dwarf Friend god. If we are enacting our anti-Sigmar agenda in the new human community at the very significant K8P, that will get back to the Empire. Marginalising Sigmar here has to be a much bigger deal to the church than making Ranald the patron of the Stirland Watch - they will care, they have clout and it will cause us trouble.
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If Sigmar wanted representation then his followers should have remembered the promise he made and actually helped the dwarves when they asked for it.

People can keep to their personal faith but as a settlement K8P is gunna be Ulrician and Ranaldian.
 
noliar said:
Sigmar is the premier god of the Empire and the Dwarf Friend god. If we are enacting our anti-Sigmar agenda in the new human community at the very significant K8P, that will get back to the Empire. Marginalising Sigmar here has to be a much bigger deal to the church than making Ranald the patron of the Stirland Watch - they will care, they have clout and it will cause us trouble.
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Let the Ulricans eat the heat. They are the natural competition of sigmarites and are present here in force, including a high profile high priest.

noliar said:
That will cut fuck all ice in Altdorf.
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And High Theogonist can take it as a one more reason to continue his shouting competition with al-Ulric. They both seem to enjoy this game.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
If the Sigmarites didn't want to be marginalized, then they should have actually contributed to the expedition. :V
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Not saying hating Sigmar isn't the right thing, but publicly going against him isn't a good idea. An Ancestor God gifted him with a weapon, which made him True Dawongr. We have yet to get there and it would also completely alienate us from the Empire.
 
ctulhuslp said:
I, personally, am worried that we might start running into "too many magical items" issue; we have Torc, Belt, Seed, Coin and Robes already. Wasn't there something about plausible issues with too many enchanted items?
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I find the solution of keeping items "turned off" when not in use great. The seed and belt both do it, we just have to make sure the others do as well. No continuously flaming sword but inert runes which only activate while striking, for example.

BoneyM said:
Teleport spell lets you teleport while using FC spells with no miscast chance beyond what the FC spell on its own would risk. You can also cast the Teleport spell on its own which would have Battle Magic miscast chance because magic is a pain like that.
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I've been thinking of how I would build a teleport skill from the spells we already know: I'd start with Substance of Shadow, which already turns you into a physics-breaking shadow-stuff. Then you go a step further and completely turn yourself into shadow-magic for a fraction of a moment, which can travel the same way you would send a spell somewhere. Would also fit the side-long teleportation with other spells since you would just need to attach yourself to that spell and use it to propel yourself somewhere.

Since even the stand-alone version would be a more advanced version of a fiendishly-complex spell it would probably still straddle the line between "normal" spell and battle magic. The battle-magic version probably mainly centers around making the spell so stable that you can switch back and forth without having to recast it.
Garlak said:
is Kragg going back to Karaz-a-Karak, or staying in Karak 8 Peaks to continue contributing to the (now probably far slower, and more steady rather than super-swift) reclamation efforts?
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I imagine he will rebuild the defiled temple at least.
vsh said:
he can see what the Ulgu (but not other winds - checking those out needs tools)
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Mathilde can see all the Winds, I'm pretty sure. She certainly saw the death magic while recovering the ledgers long ago.
Derpmind said:
So in other news, we have 287 voters so far, yet again breaking the record. Anyone think we can reach 300?
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This is just a preliminary vote for the big decision after the next update. That is where
 
Aegon Targaryen said:
Not saying hating Sigmar isn't the right thing, but publicly going against him isn't a good idea. An Ancestor God gifted him with a weapon, which made him True Dawongr. We have yet to get there and it would also completely alienate us from the Empire.
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Sigmar is rarely worshipped outside the Empire, so marginalizing him wouldn't be all that hard.
 
Alliterate said:
This a Quest, the term here if you are a voter is 'we'. :)
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Yes, but you see, I actually care on whether we are actually strong enough to alienate ourselves from the Empire, even if Mathilde doesn't.


And to clarify, I don't give a flying fuck about Sigmar, my favorite Warhammer Gods are Ulric, Ranald and Khaine, with Isha a close fourth.
 
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Aegon Targaryen said:
Yes, but you see, I actually care on whether we are actually strong enough to alienate ourselves from the Empire, even if Mathilde doesn't.
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There isn't likely to be much choice or even internal debate on the matter for Mayor Master Matty...
BoneyM said:
Disdain for Sigmar: Abelhelm Van Hal died abandoned by Sigmar. You intend to return the favour. +1 Piety due to renewed faith in other gods, will not let Sigmarism flourish in institutions she controls - penalty to institutional actions unless worship of another god is instituted.
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Aegon Targaryen said:
Yes, but you see, I actually care on whether we are actually strong enough to alienate ourselves from the Empire, even if Mathilde doesn't.
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We are not alienating ourselves, we are merely aligning ourselves with the second most important cult instead of the premiere cult. There will be some teeth grinding, but nothing too serious, as we should have the political backing of the Ulricans - and the al-Ulric is only slightly less powerful than the Grand Theogonist.
 
Frankly, at this point, marginalizing Sigmar in Eight Peaks is likely to happen more or less automatically, whether Mathilde puts effort towards that goal or not.

It would probably be more difficult to actually establish a temple to Sigmar, given that a huge number of the humans who participated are part of Sigmar's main rival cult, and most of the rest are more or less impious sellswords tenuously aligned to Ranald - while the various Knightly orders of Sigmar totally sat this fight out.

Mathilde turning that spark of gratitude towards Ranald into something more meaningful and long lasting would be the nail in the coffin, but the Sigmarites would have a hell of a time either way.
 
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Kornet said:
We are not alienating ourselves, we are merely aligning ourselves with the second most important cult instead of the premiere cult. There will be some teeth grinding, but nothing too serious, as we should have the political backing of the Ulricans.
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We are aligning ourselves with Ulric? If so, I'm very happy. I just thought we would align ourselves with Ranald, which isn't the second most important cult.
 
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