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The nice thing about WFRP character designs is that everyone is at least a little dirty or a little wrinkled, or a little scared or a little worn or some combination of all of those things. Even the rich will have a little fading at the edge of the sleeves. Even the pretty have a mole in a bad spot.

They actually look like people living in the world, not supermodels trying to convince you they are 'rangers' in completely clean 'poor clothes' without a single frayed end or patch.
I like Cubicle 7 supporting artists. They're not stingy with their money and they hire art contractors to provide plenty of images for their books. Their characters are also diverse in all manners, whether it's in terms of gender, features, age, physicality etc.

They certainly do a better job than GW, who reuse the same art pieces over and over without any real crediting.
 
Oh, by the way, thought of another connection that might make the "The Lady is a Daughter" thing more likely, this time operating on a more meta level: Reynard the Trickster is primarily known as a French legend, IRL.

Not content with being a cobra, Qu'aph/Ranald decided to make a fursona when he moved up north.
 
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Oh, by the way, thought of another connection that might make the "The Lady is a Daughter" thing more likely, this time operating on a more meta level: Reynard the Trickster is primarily known as a French legend, IRL.


The stories are largely concerned with the main character Reynard, an anthropomorphic red fox, trickster figure. His adventures usually involve his deceiving other anthropomorphic animals for his own advantage or trying to avoid their retaliatory efforts. His main enemy and victim across the cycle is his uncle, the wolf, Isengrim (or Ysengrim).


Well, I guess we know why he and Ulric don't get along much.
 
Didn't we have the coin on when we used a social action to talk to a Damsel with no discernible effect?

In any case I do not think it is worth throwing the Father into another action for just the Lady, not when we need all the help we can get via the Gambler for our range of high value and high danger Waystone research options. Maybe if had another indicator of another bunch of Daughter worshipers to at least get two actions out of it.
 
Didn't we have the coin on when we used a social action to talk to a Damsel with no discernible effect?
No. The conversation with the Damsel occured on turn 37, the Father was used on turn 38.
In any case I do not think it is worth throwing the Father into another action for just the Lady, not when we need all the help we can get via the Gambler for our range of high value and high danger Waystone research options. Maybe if had another indicator of another bunch of Daughter worshipers to at least get two actions out of it.
The simplest way to ensure that the Father gives us a benefit even if the Lady isn't a daugther is to structure our turn plans such that we look into the Forest of Shadows nexus on the same turn we attempt to recruit Bretonnia. Looking into the Forest of Shadows nexus is definitely a high risk action, so it wouldn't be a waste even if the Lady doesn't pan out, though I expect it will.
 
No. The conversation with the Damsel occured on turn 37, the Father was used on turn 38.

The simplest way to ensure that the Father gives us a benefit even if the Lady isn't a daugther is to structure our turn plans such that we look into the Forest of Shadows nexus on the same turn we attempt to recruit Bretonnia. Looking into the Forest of Shadows nexus is definitely a high risk action, so it wouldn't be a waste even if the Lady doesn't pan out, though I expect it will.

I'd want to use the Protector or maybe the Gambler on the Shadows nexus—protector so we can leverage our asskicking into favours from Nordland, Gambler to make it safer.

Besides, I don't believe we'll have an opportunity to get damsels until we do the Iron Orc thing, and it's been made clear to me that the thread doesn't want to do that, so postponing the Shadow nexus to align with the Bretonnia recruitment isn't really viable.
 
I'd want to use the Protector or maybe the Gambler on the Shadows nexus—protector so we can leverage our asskicking into favours from Nordland, Gambler to make it safer.

Besides, I don't believe we'll have an opportunity to get damsels until we do the Iron Orc thing, and it's been made clear to me that the thread doesn't want to do that, so postponing the Shadow nexus to align with the Bretonnia recruitment isn't really viable.
The problem i see with protector is that it isn't (probably) applicable.
This is the text for it.
- The Protector: When you act in a way that defends an individual or group from a danger that you did not cause, they will become aware of what you have done and will believe you acted selflessly in doing so. Rule of thumb: if you have to explain why this might apply, it probably doesn't.

And i just don't see the danger we are protecting nordland from. We may get some isolated hamlet's near the Forrest but all of nordland? I don't buy it.
 
The problem i see with protector is that it isn't (probably) applicable.
This is the text for it.
- The Protector: When you act in a way that defends an individual or group from a danger that you did not cause, they will become aware of what you have done and will believe you acted selflessly in doing so. Rule of thumb: if you have to explain why this might apply, it probably doesn't.

And i just don't see the danger we are protecting nordland from. We may get some isolated hamlet's near the Forrest but all of nordland? I don't buy it.

The Blood Fane is protected by a Beastman who actively hunts the surrounding area for sacrifices, and the Tower of Melkior has what's probably the most powerful Necrarch on the continent in it. I'm not expecting every person in Nordland to feel protected, not like how Vlag was affected, but taking out two significant threats like that has to reach the ears of the Elector at least.
 
The Blood Fane is protected by a Beastman who actively hunts the surrounding area for sacrifices, and the Tower of Melkior has what's probably the most powerful Necrarch on the continent in it. I'm not expecting every person in Nordland to feel protected, not like how Vlag was affected, but taking out two significant threats like that has to reach the ears of the Elector at least.
Yeah, but it would do that from just doing the stuff. Protector works of protecting the people from something, i don't think the implied threat of something counts.
 
I'd prefer to get an army to do the forest of shadows.

Which we don't really have, so...

Iron orcs is preferable. We will, at least, have knights and archers backing us up there.
 
The Blood Fane is protected by a Beastman who actively hunts the surrounding area for sacrifices, and the Tower of Melkior has what's probably the most powerful Necrarch on the continent in it. I'm not expecting every person in Nordland to feel protected, not like how Vlag was affected, but taking out two significant threats like that has to reach the ears of the Elector at least.
I'd really really rather buff up a bit before we try sneaking around the territory of a guy who is between one and three degrees away from Nagash (depends entirely on whether Zacharias has tried to usurp Melchior at this point in the timeline, and whether Boney goes with "yeah W'soran took over Melkhior from the inside" or not).

I'd absolutely insist on finishing up Branarhune, getting Scouting up to 3/3 (maybe train with Dreng?), and possibly getting our Apparition spell ready.
 
I'd want to use the Protector or maybe the Gambler on the Shadows nexus—protector so we can leverage our asskicking into favours from Nordland, Gambler to make it safer.

Besides, I don't believe we'll have an opportunity to get damsels until we do the Iron Orc thing, and it's been made clear to me that the thread doesn't want to do that, so postponing the Shadow nexus to align with the Bretonnia recruitment isn't really viable.
Regarding the Iron Orcs, it was very clear that we don't have to deal with them. That's one way to recruit the Damsels, but the other is to get results:
"As far as you are aware," she echoes. "As far as I am aware, too. But we would have to become much further aware for that to be a safe endeavour. And the effort of becoming so much further aware is effort that could be spent elsewhere - such as, for example, the Iron Orcs of the Irrana Mountains. But if you were to come to us with something more tangible than dreams, then perhaps we might be tempted."
And obviously we can do both of those things to make the Damsels more likely to join and more likely to contribute more, but we don't have too and I doubt we'll have time for that.

Using the Gambler to make the Forest of Shadows safer is kind of crazy when we have a face that makes the Goddess of protection from the Forest of Shadows get on our side. This is one thing where Halétha definitely, without a doubt, has an advantage over the Gambler. As for the Protector: the nexus action isn't one where we take the nexus by force, it's just investigating them.
Depends on the nexus. Mathilde wandering around Reikland would do so in the way of someone who knows that there are exactly three people in the Empire who could gainsay her on Waystoney matters in Reikland, and if there's someone she thinks has answers she'll ask them nicely the first time and not so nicely if there has to be a second. Mathilde in the Wasteland would be a bit more subtle, as there's nothing stopping her from travelling through Marienburg's territory but she has no authority there to start demanding answers, and may or may not try to winkle them out. Mathilde in the Forest of Shadows will investigate knowing full well that the nexuses are enemy territory and anywhere between one and all of them will be populated by beings older, stronger, and more magically powerful than her, and isn't going to knock on the door of someone two steps removed from Nagash and demand answers.
 
Using the Gambler to make the Forest of Shadows safer is kind of crazy when we have a face that makes the Goddess of protection from the Forest of Shadows get on our side. This is one thing where Halétha definitely, without a doubt, has an advantage over the Gambler. As for the Protector: the nexus action isn't one where we take the nexus by force, it's just investigating them.
That one i don't agree with. The father only means halethas followers trust us, not that the goddess will intervene on our behalf in anything. Going with a "maybe if you squint chance of getting a bit of divine help" over "here's your buddy Ranald with his new shiny dice to roll for you, of course their not weighted, who do you think Ranald is!"
 
@Boney Would the Deceiver face of the coin work if Mathilde uses it to tell what she believes to be a lie, but it later turns out that what she said was actually true and she just didn't know it at the time? Which is to say, does the Deceiver not work for objective truth, or what Mathilde believes to be true at the time?
 
That one i don't agree with. The father only means halethas followers trust us, not that the goddess will intervene on our behalf in anything. Going with a "maybe if you squint chance of getting a bit of divine help" over "here's your buddy Ranald with his new shiny dice to roll for you, of course their not weighted, who do you think Ranald is!"
The Father does in fact mean that Halétha herself will trust us:
- The Father: Ranald's daughters, and Their followers, will recognize you as being worthy of trust and faith.
What do you think this means? What does Halétha trusting us actually do, if not offer us possible divine intervention if relevant? Is this just meaningless text in the description of the coin?
Though there is, of course, also the benefit of getting the help of Halétha's followers, which are experts on the Forest of Shadows and are the best possible guides for any mission exploring it. Even if we grant that the Nordland Hedgewise will help us without the coin because of Aksel, there are also the Ostland Hedgewise which defintiely worship Halétha, and the Ostermark Hedgewise which we have good reason to think worship Halétha (or possibly her sister, but I doubt it). The Ostland Hedgewsie once decided that dying out is better than being replaced by Nordland Hedgewise, so Aksel's word probably won't get all of them to listen to us, and Ostland is where most of the Forest of Shadows is. Likewise for the Ostermark Hedgewise, which are very secretive and insular and will likely help us a lot more with the coin than without it.
 
The Father does in fact mean that Halétha herself will trust us:

What do you think this means? What does Halétha trusting us actually do, if not offer us possible divine intervention if relevant? Is this just meaningless text in the description of the coin?
Though there is, of course, also the benefit of getting the help of Halétha's followers, which are experts on the Forest of Shadows and are the best possible guides for any mission exploring it. Even if we grant that the Nordland Hedgewise will help us even without the coin because of Aksel, there are also the Ostland Hedgewise which defintiely worship Halétha, and the Ostermark Hedgewise which we have good reason to think worship Halétha (or possibly her sister, but I doubt it). The Ostland Hedgewsie once decided that dying out is better than being replaced by Nordland Hedgewise, so Aksel's word probably won't get all of them to listen to us, and Ostland is where most of the Forest of Shadows is. Likewise for the Ostermark Hedgewise, which are very secretive and insular and will likely help us a lot more with the coin than without it.
Cool, that only implies she trusts us. Not that she gonna throw lightning bolts on our behalf. We don't have a connection with her as strong as we have with Ranald.

And we already have the help of the nordland hedgewise, like if we invade the Forrest of shadows we literally can ask our fellow member of the waystone project and "priest" of Haletha Aksel "you wanna help me clean up the Forrest a bit?"

And for Ostland and Ostermark? We don't know their worship Haletha, we don't even have any indication.
 
That one i don't agree with. The father only means halethas followers trust us, not that the goddess will intervene on our behalf in anything. Going with a "maybe if you squint chance of getting a bit of divine help" over "here's your buddy Ranald with his new shiny dice to roll for you, of course their not weighted, who do you think Ranald is!"
It would absolutely help to get Aksel's whole gang as backup, though. Mathilde's historically had close calls infiltrating places without backup - it's part of the impetus behind binding the Riders in Red, getting a tank-in-can to distract foes.

Depending on how strong Haletha's followers are, it may be more worthwhile than two +20s.
 
It would absolutely help to get Aksel's whole gang as backup, though. Mathilde's historically had close calls infiltrating places without backup - it's part of the impetus behind binding the Riders in Red, getting a tank-in-can to distract foes.

Depending on how strong Haletha's followers are, it may be more worthwhile than two +20s.
And Aksels word on his own wouldn't, why exactly?
 
Cool, that only implies she trusts us. Not that she gonna throw lightning bolts on our behalf. We don't have a connection with her as strong as we have with Ranald.

And we already have the help of the nordland hedgewise, like if we invade the Forrest of shadows we literally can ask our fellow member of the waystone project and "priest" of Haletha Aksel "you wanna help me clean up the Forrest a bit?"

And for Ostland and Ostermark? We don't know their worship Haletha, we don't even have any indication.
First of all, we know with 100% certainty that the Ostland Hedgewise worship Halétha. It's not a secret of anything.
Second, the Forest of Shadows is huge. The Nordland Hedgefolk live at the western edge of it, the Ostland Hedgefolk live in the middle, which is the size of pretty much the entirety is Ostland, and the Ostermark Hedgefolk live at the eastern tip. This is a forest that spans three provinces. The idea that Aksel can just "clean up the forest a bit" is crazy, he is not that powerful and he has never seen the vast majority of the Forest in his life. Obviously different Hegefolk group will be more familiar with different parts of the Forest of Shadows, and the Ostland Hedgewise are especially important because most of the Forest is there.
Third, again, what do you actually think Halétha trusting it implies? Nothing at all? It has no meaning? Why is it even in the description of the face of the coin, then?
Ostermark is more of a theory, given that they're a mystery cult.
Yes, but there is more than just that in the way of evidence. Aside from the fact that they live by the Forest of Shadows, there are two notable lines of text from our visit to the Ostermark Hedgewise:
"I bring and seek no trouble here," you say, waving a greeting in a hand symbol of the Hedgewise that Kurtis Krammovitch taught you, which is eerily similar to a sign with the same meaning used in Ranaldian cant.
You gingerly take the bone, and you're as ready to flinch back with your mystic senses if you find anything untoward as your fingers are if they detect any scrap of remaining flesh. But though the bone thrums with energy, it's an energy you're unable to directly perceive. It seems like a faint star that seems clearly visible from the corner of your eye but disappears if you look directly at it. But despite its elusiveness there's a familiarity to its energies, one that would feel oddly comfortable to you if you weren't immediately suspicious of that feeling of comfort.

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And Aksels word on his own wouldn't, why exactly?
Have you bothered to actually read my post?
Even if we grant that the Nordland Hedgewise will help us without the coin because of Aksel, there are also the Ostland Hedgewise which defintiely worship Halétha, and the Ostermark Hedgewise which we have good reason to think worship Halétha (or possibly her sister, but I doubt it). The Ostland Hedgewsie once decided that dying out is better than being replaced by Nordland Hedgewise, so Aksel's word probably won't get all of them to listen to us, and Ostland is where most of the Forest of Shadows is. Likewise for the Ostermark Hedgewise, which are very secretive and insular and will likely help us a lot more with the coin than without it.
 
First of all, we know with 100% certainty that the Ostland Hedgewise worship Halétha. It's not a secret of anything.
Second, the Forest of Shadows is huge. The Nordland Hedgefolk live at the western edge of it, the Ostland Hedgefolk live in the middle, which is the size of pretty much the entirety is Ostland, and the Ostermark Hedgefolk live at the eastern tip. This is a forest that spans three provinces. The idea that Aksel can just "clean up the forest a bit" is crazy, he is not that powerful and he has never seen the vast majority of the Forest in his life. Obviously different Hegefolk group will be more familiar with different parts of the Forest of Shadows, and the Ostland Hedgewise are especially important because most of the Forest is there.
Third, again, what do you actually think Halétha trusting it implies? Nothing at all? It has no meaning? Why is it even in the description of the face of the coin, then?

Yes, but there is more than just that in the way of evidence. Aside from the fact that they live by the Forest of Shadows, there are two notable lines of text from our visit to the Ostermark Hedgewise:



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Have you bothered to actually read my post?
I don't say that the father would do nothing. But the implication that the father would get us a army of hedgewise and a vengeful god ready to throw down is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. Yes, the goddess and her followers would put faith and trust in us. That doesn't mean they would march to the blood fane with us or that Haletha would be willing or even able to throw down, she's a minor goddess of the forest. That might give her some sway or it might not.

But you know who's definitely ready to help us with the flip of a coin? Take a guess.
 
I don't say that the father would do nothing. But the implication that the father would get us a army of hedgewise and a vengeful god ready to throw down is on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. Yes, the goddess and her followers would put faith and trust in us. That doesn't mean they would march to the blood fane with us or that Haletha would be willing or even able to throw down, she's a minor goddess of the forest. That might give her some sway or it might not.

But you know who's definitely ready to help us with the flip of a coin? Take a guess.
For crying out loud. When exactly did I say that they would march to the blood fane with us? What is this absurd strawman? The nexus action is an investigation action. The people who live in the Forest of Shadows and worship the Goddess of the Forest of Shadows obviously know a lot about the Forest of Shadows and how now to get killed in it, and they also might know about the nexuses we are investigating because protecting those nexuses was a sacred duty of theirs. How can you possibly argue in good faith that this would not be incredibly useful?
 
For crying out loud. When exactly did I say that they would march to the blood fane with us? What is this absurd strawman? The nexus action is an investigation action. The people who live in the Forest of Shadows and worship the Goddess of the Forest of Shadows obviously know a lot about the Forest of Shadows and how now to get killed in it, and they also might know about the nexuses we are investigating because protecting those nexuses was a sacred duty of theirs. How can you possibly argue in good faith that this would not be incredibly useful?
Then I'm sorry about that part, but it's still just a guess that the father would get us anything other then people actually talking to us. The only tangible option that is directly beneficial is the gambler.
The father itself would funnily enough be a gamble on it it helps.
 
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