Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
Alright, here's my vote.
I consider Cython an outright bad idea, the possible negative consequences of which loom very large in my mind. I like Cython, but their values are not highly compatible with our Library's goals. They can be nudged and persuaded into getting reasonably close, and this is a good tool for the purposes of getting Cython to be more invested into the Karak, but I never once wanted the library for that purpose. I wanted it to gather and spread knowledge. We already have excellent defenses in place, right in the middle of a large Karak, and we already have incredible problems if K8P is falling badly enough to endanger our books. If we were setting up our library in crazy hostile territory, that's the circumstance where tripling down on defensibility would be justified. But here, it is just a large sacrifice for goals unrelated to our core vision.
The We is more tempting, they have a lot of potential and could potentially become The Only Librarian who will govern and operate our library for the foreseeable future. Buuuuut, it would take a lot of AP to get there, and I'm not sure the We would be so amazing at this that it offsets the immediate costs. We have way too much stuff to do, taking this Head Librarian job at all was already stretching things. For the same reason we turned down that young impressionable Grey Perpetual in favor of the Hochlander, we wanted something to decrease the amount of time to spend on this, not force us to dedicate way more of it for optimized gains.
And so, Verena or Dwarves or Locals. First two would be vastly preferable, but I'll take what I can get.
[x] Cult of Verena
[x] Runescribes Guild
[x] Locals
I consider Cython an outright bad idea, the possible negative consequences of which loom very large in my mind. I like Cython, but their values are not highly compatible with our Library's goals. They can be nudged and persuaded into getting reasonably close, and this is a good tool for the purposes of getting Cython to be more invested into the Karak, but I never once wanted the library for that purpose. I wanted it to gather and spread knowledge. We already have excellent defenses in place, right in the middle of a large Karak, and we already have incredible problems if K8P is falling badly enough to endanger our books. If we were setting up our library in crazy hostile territory, that's the circumstance where tripling down on defensibility would be justified. But here, it is just a large sacrifice for goals unrelated to our core vision.
The We is more tempting, they have a lot of potential and could potentially become The Only Librarian who will govern and operate our library for the foreseeable future. Buuuuut, it would take a lot of AP to get there, and I'm not sure the We would be so amazing at this that it offsets the immediate costs. We have way too much stuff to do, taking this Head Librarian job at all was already stretching things. For the same reason we turned down that young impressionable Grey Perpetual in favor of the Hochlander, we wanted something to decrease the amount of time to spend on this, not force us to dedicate way more of it for optimized gains.
And so, Verena or Dwarves or Locals. First two would be vastly preferable, but I'll take what I can get.
[x] Cult of Verena
[x] Runescribes Guild
[x] Locals
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
- Location
- Canada
[X] Cython
[X] Locals
[X] Locals
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Which will probably involve some sort of Sevirscope, which I'm a little annoyed by because I've been adamant up until now that we don't need one and that Kragg wouldn't appreciate it, but now we actually have something practical to use it on which means I was wrong to be against it.
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- He/Him
[X] Cult of Verena
[X] Halflings
[X] Orphans
Fine with any of these. Preference for orphans, but I would happily throw my weight behind any of these depending on how the vote is going. Maybe the locals, though I'd prefer someone with more...resistance to corruption.
[X] Halflings
[X] Orphans
Fine with any of these. Preference for orphans, but I would happily throw my weight behind any of these depending on how the vote is going. Maybe the locals, though I'd prefer someone with more...resistance to corruption.
[X] The We
[X] Orphans
For greatly dedicated librarians that will be in stable long term supply.
It occurs to me that the Colleges don't have many uses for Orbs of Sorcery because they each only have one irreplacable orb of historical importance each.
If more orbs start showing up, more uses would likely show up due to the much greater leeway for potentially destructive experiments, but my guess is the benefits first reflect on architectural enchantments.
[X] Orphans
For greatly dedicated librarians that will be in stable long term supply.
It occurs to me that the Colleges don't have many uses for Orbs of Sorcery because they each only have one irreplacable orb of historical importance each.
If more orbs start showing up, more uses would likely show up due to the much greater leeway for potentially destructive experiments, but my guess is the benefits first reflect on architectural enchantments.
No, another speech enchantment will be commissioned and the We would handle that.
By the way, how exactly library would spread knowledge aside from not restricting access?
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
[X] Locals
[X] Runescribes Guild
[X] Halflings
[X] Runescribes Guild
[X] Halflings
mynameisyouQQQ
Miss Brightside
- Location
- A Hell of my own making
- Pronouns
- They/She/He
[X] Cult of Verena
[X] Locals
[X] Cython
[X] Locals
[X] Cython
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Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Noted, also on that note would it be possible for the We to also become scribes? I'm assuming it would require them being Librarians to also be able to do that.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
[X] Cython
Gap
Not a Dog
- Location
- The Malleary
I agree with your last points, especially the travel points. But baby schollars are still schoolars and even more prone to take risk and travel. Also its not the "spiders are scary" which were my main point but that a diversity staff could enrich the library more while The We would be more efficient.
Also.
I weight heavily the thread initial meaning for the Library even if it was something I didnt actually vote for. "Made for and by all"
Honestly its all about interpretation and personal feeling on the subject, I can see people argue pro We with the same quote. Just adding my voice to see if I can convice more people .
What does 'proficient at being librarians' mean in this context? If you mean able to read and put books in the right place and growl at anyone trying to walk out with a book, they could start tomorrow. If you mean the entire field of library science, that will take a fair bit of time and effort, not least of which would be inventing the entire field of library science. If you mean something in between those two extremes, you'll need to specify.
Yes.
It would not.
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- Location
- France
[X] Locals
[X] Orphans
[X] Orphans
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
True. That was written up shortly before the vote opened and my expectations were off the mark. I still expect disappointment from the We/Cython fans though, but maybe to a lesser degree than when Cython lost the relationship vote.
Maybe I misunderstood how they are used when they are used? My understanding was that their only practical use was as the main part of some major enchanted artefact. So my expectation was that they would always be in use in whatever the current Parenarch of that color considered the most worthy, with said artefact being shut down and the Orb removed whenever something they consider more important comes up.
What is their use policy instead?
Literacy and longevity? I wouldn't want them on their own, but if we were to go for multiculturalism as a goal in and of itself, then adding reasonable and available Elves would be part of that and the Faniour seem like the most reasonable and available. Though yes, for my purpose the very small handful of Toriour would also suffice.
I disagree that they are and I think if we replaced "Cython" with a random immortal, territorial, entitled and scary Hysh wizard of indeterminate race and The We with a very young immortal telekine/telepath who we recently found together with their twin fending for themselves in the woods then this would be more obvious.
Both of them have pros, but seen coldly and dispassionately said pros are very minor while the cons are considerable. And I don't know about others, but I can't look at it just from that dispassionate vantage point. I've been wanting more Cython screen time since forever and am still in mourning over the fact that we can't rope him in with Divine AV (which he'd be salivating all over). And the We are a nascent civilization that we are in a unique position to set down a path, which is another catnip of mine.
That said, the We are the option I prefer over Cython, because their drawback is pretty much just the same as the Orphans option, except that they look scarier and that they are a single person who is pretty much bound to the Library (or free to abandon it for a random replacement) going into this life project with no idea how they'll feel about it or how it will psychologically affect them a couple of decades down the line.
Tzeentch trying to prevent Tzeentch from using Mathilde as a pawn in the latest scheme to screw with Tzeentch.
Both of these things what I actually expected much more people to feel. Which is why I have a hard time swallowing that Locals is an exclusive choice instead of a mainstay part of at least the lower ranks of the staff.
I don't know what happens in other well written Warhammer Quests. This is honestly the only one I follow. All others I have either skimmed or tried to get in on at the start (or near it) and seen die an early death.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
So on the subject of Scribes I think that regardless of what wins for the Librarians we should see to making the We the scribes, simply because their ability to increase in number as needed would be invaluable and unlike other races they can do the repetitive work without much issue mentally.