If the world is going to shit, might as well. We can just say that the Skaven tried to use it but it backfired
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Assuming you're basing this on his friendship with Kadoh, him broing down with the Elf that has Asuryan's thumbs-up might help with House Malforric, but it wouldn't really be a game-changer for Tindomiel.
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I really hope the Dhar insight trait we got pays rent during this Waystones arc, otherwise it will have been twice in a row that we autovoted for a trait that seemed excitingly magical but wasn't relevant to the actions we actually wanted to take. That said, I'm reasonably optimistic that we will have to contend with countering Dhar at some point during our Waystone investigations -- or should that be pessimistic?
For those in the thread going "literally who":
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That a change in character can be justified enough for Boney to write it does not necessarily make me feel it is justified enough to vote for it. If it was picked at 8 peaks as a trait, then I wouldn't be objecting - though I felt there were better choices - but it's been long enough that I don't feel it would make a good story to have her disdain just fade. Not without something more narrative significant happening first, even if it's just regular interactions with well-meaning Sigmarites rather than a singular more dramatic event. And yes, Kasmir and R. Van Hall do help with this, but a couple of people she speaks to maybe twice a year does not seem enough to me. If we had to get them involved in the waystone project, or partner with a Sigmarite library, or do something else with much more interaction that might be a different matter.
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I mean, as a character beat "is great at all kinds of weird esoteric magic bullshit of questionable providence, but isn't actually particularly good at wrangling College Wizards/mentoring students/other immediately useful traits" works just fine, tbh.
In a lot of ways a story with a character who has a hyperfocus and a bunch of foibles is easier to have dramatic stakes in than a story with someone who's just sort of generically decent at everything.
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I think its a pretty safe bet that we'll have to contend with buttloads of Dhar at some point during this whole thing, yeah. Many of those with the most vested interest in making sure this project fails are Dhar users, after all.
(Dhar Insight still wouldn't have been my first pick, but considering the setting having an 'anti-evil-magic' trait will never not be a good thing.)
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Technically it's a pro-evil-magic trait, it just gives Mathilde a bonus to dispelling as a side benefit.
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I mean, if we ever feel like using Frederick's diary for the other thing it's famous for...Technically it's a pro-evil-magic trait, it just gives Mathilde a bonus to dispelling as a side benefit.
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Speaking of, our best bet for this is to induct a halfling as our secret dark apprentice. Halflings are the most Chaos-resistant species in Warhammer, even more than dwarves, so they can wield Dhar with minimum side effects to their bodies and minds. It will truly be the meek who'll inherit the earth.
Partially, but it was more I remembered that part of the reason we hadn't been approached by more people was because it had been a static scene for thousands of years so none of the established ways of reaching out to Mathilde would work, and since they live so long no one was rushing to create new ones. So I was thinking that as Johann is becoming more of an insider he might be able to help grease the wheels there.
Anyway, even though that didn't pan out this could still be useful in the future, but I think even with this boost the odds are still too low to bother trying at the moment, but it's something to keep in mind in the future when we have some results to help tilt the scales further in our favor.
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This isn't a thing in DL. We've asked Boney about it, and Mathilde hasn't read of any particularly amazing resistance to Chaos from the Halflings.
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The trait you're thinking of also makes it impossible for them to be a spellcaster of any sort, so even if this were an in-quest quality of Halflings, no dice.
Unfortunately Mathilde is Dawi, and holds grudges accordingly
We have the option to train the Dhar self-destruction process, but it's been collecting dust for over 9000 pages because, beyond the sword and fire stuff, the abundant warnings of uncle Fred's diary suggest that doing this without corruption is similar to turning into mist and back — something that we get right the first time, because there will be no retries.
Personally, my next move on this road would be to "accidentally" get a better understanding of beastmen magic. We have observed plenty of necromancy, which mixes Dhar with Shyish, and the Dhar-Ulgu of Eshin-lore, so taking notes on magic which is repeatedly mentioned as a corruption of Ghur might lead to further insight on how to keep the least friendly Wind isolated.
As for Sigmar, even if Mathilde was willing to make amends and forgive the "No Abelhelm for you" move, I'm not convinced Sigmar will be similarly magnanimous about her "No Karl Franz for you, then" reply.
Personally, my next move on this road would be to "accidentally" get a better understanding of beastmen magic. We have observed plenty of necromancy, which mixes Dhar with Shyish, and the Dhar-Ulgu of Eshin-lore, so taking notes on magic which is repeatedly mentioned as a corruption of Ghur might lead to further insight on how to keep the least friendly Wind isolated.
As for Sigmar, even if Mathilde was willing to make amends and forgive the "No Abelhelm for you" move, I'm not convinced Sigmar will be similarly magnanimous about her "No Karl Franz for you, then" reply.
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But it was the Lahmians' and Regimand's fault for the old Empress dying before giving birth. Heidi being able to take her spot is kind of the result of Mathilde's actions, but there's not exactly a direct line of intent here.
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That wasn't on Mathilde, the previous Empress's child wasn't even born yet, the kid probably wouldn't have been canon Karl Franz anyways, and no one has any way of knowing that canon Karl Franz was even a possibility.
On the other hand, you could totally argue that Sigmar could have a grudge for the whole 'stealing the baptism of Mandred for Ranald' thing.
(Though if we're talking about Sigmar's theoretical opinion on Mathilde, we should probably take into account her 'Aiding the Dwarf-Folk' and 'Killing Greenskins, servants of Chaos, and Dhar-users' with gusto.)
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Heidi mentioned how the templar investigators got lucky breaks as a direct result of Mathilde going up in Ranald's esteem.
However, there is indeed the baptism issue that @GrimTheMad pointed out, which might be seen as a ritual of dedication from this perspective. "The first emperor, I nicked by accident, but this one, I'm grabbing for Ranald because fuck you."
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To be fair, Abelhelm's list only went to Regimand and caused the purges when it did because Abelhelm died earlier than expected. Ranald helped build the list, but it wasn't being acted on earlier. Maybe a few more months and the pregnancy would've ended.
JayTar
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Here is an idea: The Avatar trait lets Mathilde identify divine energies she is sufficiently familiar with. But as far as I know Sigmar is not one of said gods.
So something like what happened in Talabheim could happen again but with Sigmar helping Mathilde. And Mathilde might not realize at the time.
It would be a very Mathilde way to have the reconciliation go. Directly dealing with the god.
So something like what happened in Talabheim could happen again but with Sigmar helping Mathilde. And Mathilde might not realize at the time.
It would be a very Mathilde way to have the reconciliation go. Directly dealing with the god.
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I just don't care about Sigmar at all, and thus have no interest in spending a valuable trait point to get Mattie to feel neutral about Sigmar, when we could spend it on literally anything else except feeling neutral about this one dude.
Trait points can do so many interesting and fun and powerful things, and it would feel like a waste to me to spend it on feeling neutral about someone.
Trait points can do so many interesting and fun and powerful things, and it would feel like a waste to me to spend it on feeling neutral about someone.
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Mathilde might not have Sigmar's entry on her Piety traitlist, but I'm pretty sure she'd recognize Sigmar. Even ignoring the double crit of Kasmir+Mathilde against the Singing King, here's an example from after we gained Avatar, when she met Roswita for Belegar: