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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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If putting a name to the being behind these dramas would unravel the adventure, I would have obscured it more. When I gave enough details that an identity could be deduced, I knew full well what information that would unleash once someone put the pieces together, and I judged that it wasn't a danger to the quest. If this was taking place in the vicinity of La Chald Abbey then things would be different, but on this edge of the world it doesn't really give you much to work with.
 
Codex said:
This isn't relevant to Mathilde's knowledge because it's all meta, but if the thread insists on speculating on meta reasons as to why Drycha might be here, let me provide you with evidence of what Drycha's been doing for centuries. This is all from Wood Elves 8th Edition Army Book:

"In this year, Drycha, Handmaiden of Coeddil, gathered to her a great warweald of forest spirits, and rampaged through southern Bretonnia. After defeating the Duke of Carcassonne at the crossings of the Brienne, she assailed the walls of La Chald Abbey. By the time Bretonnian reinforcements arrived, the abbey had been tom down and its relics stolen." Page 28

"Drycha's handmaidens attacked the Shrine of Taal in the Reikwald. Though the vengeful Branchwraith struck without warning a wily huntsman slipped through the carnage and managed to bring word to Altdorf before dying of his wounds. Reinforcements were quickly despatched, but were ambushed by Dryads and Treemen on the Altdorf-Weismund road. By the time the battered army finally broke through, the shrine had been levelled, its defenders slain and the holiest relic — the Fang of Taalroth — had been stolen. Of Drycha and her handmaidens, there was no sign." Page 32

"After a seemingly senseless campaign of slaughter in the lands surrounding Parravon, Drycha finally acquired the last relic she had been searching for. Stealing into Athel Loren during the height of winter, the Branchwraith unleashed the power of her stolen artefacts, and shattered the wards Ariel had placed to bind Coeddil into the Wildwood. Alerted too late, Rangers of the Wildwood rushed to Coeddils prison, only to find the Elder gone." Page 33

These three relics are acquired over the course of 500 years, so Drycha's been busy for a long time going from forest to forest across the Old World and maybe beyond to acquire relics so she can break Coeddil's chains. For all we know Boyar Kalashnikov holds some sort of relic that would be useful to Drycha, which is why she wants to trap him.
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I would like to say that I really appreciate the addition of the spoiler tag. All this information is very interesting but I really would prefer to be blind on some of those things; the name Kalashinivik didn't mean anything to me before some posters mentioned certain canon facts, and while I try to not let what I know inform my voting it's hard to compartmentalize that way.

pucflek said:
... That Ice Glaive Boris has is... something.
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Boris really couldn't have been counted on to show up; he wasn't coming at all before Mathilde raised the alarm, and it's only thanks to her recently invented spell that he made it on time. As I said here, the trap is definitely a response to Mathilde scrying the Athel Loren host. You could say that Drycha thought Mathilde would be calling for the cavalry and so they were hoping to trap Boris or the Tzar or whoever, but the nature of the trap Mathilde deduced is to draw the local forces lead by Boyar Kalashinivik into the woods, so if they thought Mathilde was going to alert the authorities anyway there would be no point to it.
 
I didn't really judge the stuff I revealed to be any kind of climactic revelation. I'm not sure if I'm just detached from these things because I knew all about it beforehand, but I really don't see what the concern is about. I spoilered it out of concern because others seem to dislike it being there, but I really don't understand what about what I revealed spoils the mystery. I was just observing a pattern of her movements, not showing us the exact event that she was orchestrating and what she's coming here for and what her force composition would look like.

As an aside, have a Cathayan Turtle Battering Ram:
Cathay has mastered the art of cute battering rams.
 
I'm pretty sure we're past the point where the knowledge affects our decision...that point was when we were deciding whether to stick our oar into the fight...assuming she's even aiming at one here and now

Right now her long term motives don't matter because she intends to kill allies and our allies intend to kill her.
The rest is just making sure the right people are dying
 
still making my way from upthread, but I enjoyed how Vermintide 2 had fun with all the new careers and their backstories , compared to how grim the canon backstories from Vermintide 1 were. The career trailers were good too.


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some trailers

[X] War Council

I doubt they'll be willing to snub 3 ice witches + the wizard that stole Karak Vlag
 
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Codex said:
I didn't really judge the stuff I revealed to be any kind of climactic revelation. I'm not sure if I'm just detached from these things because I knew all about it beforehand, but I really don't see what the concern is about. I spoilered it out of concern because others seem to dislike it being there, but I really don't understand what about what I revealed spoils the mystery. I was just observing a pattern of her movements, not showing us the exact event that she was orchestrating and what she's coming here for and what her force composition would look like.

As an aside, have a Cathayan Turtle Battering Ram:
Cathay has mastered the art of cute battering rams.
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I'm having a good time playing as Cathay; I hope they show up at some point in the quest now that there's canon information to work with, though I'd be gobsmacked if it were to happen within the next 10 turns.

Maybe we'll run out of Gods with Waystone knowledge to invite, and one of the options for our next arc will be to go really far abroad for more knowledge to try and get to major repairs or, if we're very lucky, building new ones. I'd bet my house that Cathay has extremely relevant insights, given their Celestial Compass and Harmony mechanics.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I'm having a good time playing as Cathay; I hope they show up at some point in the quest now that there's canon information to work with, though I'd be gobsmacked if it were to happen within the next 10 turns.

Maybe we'll run out of Gods with Waystone knowledge to invite, and one of the options for our next arc will be to go really far abroad for more knowledge to try and get to major repairs or, if we're very lucky, building new ones. I'd bet my house that Cathay has extremely relevant insights, given their Celestial Compass and Harmony mechanics.
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Clearly the most optimal way to get Cathay involved is to ask our Supreme Patriarch to go back to Cathay and perform his magic trick again to get a Dragon or Dragon Adjacent to move in. Nevermind that it would mean that the Supreme Patriarch would be gone for months if not years, I'm sure we can find a stopgap solution to that issue :V
 
Codex said:
Clearly the most optimal way to get Cathay involved is to ask our Supreme Patriarch to go back to Cathay and perform his magic trick again to get a Dragon or Dragon Adjacent to move in. Nevermind that it would mean that the Supreme Patriarch would be gone for months if not years, I'm sure we can find a stopgap solution to that issue :V
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She is smol, but likes swords
 
I do not think Cathay is in the cards for several reasons:
  1. It is just too far, as said above it would take months to get there and months back on anything but maybe that theoretical dwarf airship and even on that I would be worried about Ogres
  2. We do not have leverage, in the old world being known as collaborating with elves and dwarfs, automatically puts you on the map, but in Cathay I doubt it is that easy, the dwarfs are far off and the elves are at best trading partners, at worst rivals. On top of that we do not know how what they think of the Empire. Yeah Dragonas came back with a non-aggression pact, which between such distant realms is probably worth more as the jade it's carved on
  3. We do not know if whatever they did is even compatible with... anything at all we do. Between the elves and dwarfs and the men of the Old World there is at least the commonality (direct or indirect) of Old One teaching. What is there in Cathay? We do not know... and we would have to deal with points 1 and 2 to even find out
This is probably more in depth that it really had to be given that this was just an off the cuff suggestion, but I thought i would give it a fair shake because we did after all think about going to Cathay before and that is not crazy. Like if we were not bound to the Project, if we had not chosen the Library and instead taken the air ship I would be down with setting the helm eastwards, sounds really cool.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I do not think Cathay is in the cards for several reasons:
  1. It is just too far, as said above it would take months to get there and months back on anything but maybe that theoretical dwarf airship and even on that I would be worried about Ogres
  2. We do not have leverage, in the old world being known as collaborating with elves and dwarfs, automatically puts you on the map, but in Cathay I doubt it is that easy, the dwarfs are far off and the elves are at best trading partners, at worst rivals. On top of that we do not know how what they think of the Empire. Yeah Dragonas came back with a non-aggression pact, which between such distant realms is probably worth more as the jade it's carved on
  3. We do not know if whatever they did is even compatible with... anything at all we do. Between the elves and dwarfs and the men of the Old World there is at least the commonality (direct or indirect) of Old One teaching. What is there in Cathay? We do not know... and we would have to deal with points 1 and 2 to even find out
This is probably more in depth that it really had to be given that this was just an off the cuff suggestion, but I thought i would give it a fair shake because we did after all think about going to Cathay before and that is not crazy. Like if we were not bound to the Project, if we had not chosen the Library and instead taken the air ship I would be down with setting the helm eastwards, sounds really cool.
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Even in the most far off suggestion, I'd never ask for full cooperation between the realms. The most crazy support I'd think we'd get is a single Caster from Cathay as a diplomatic party who might know a thing or two.

Honestly, the non-aggression pact Dragomas picked up is far less impressive than the fact that he learnt how to turn into a Celestial Dragon. That indicates a level of familiarity that is far beyond "I spoke with them once".

I'm not seriously suggesting bringing Cathay on board, but this seems like a significantly hardline stance for a topic that we know little about.
 
Codex said:
Even in the most far off suggestion, I'd never ask for full cooperation between the realms. The most crazy support I'd think we'd get is a single Caster from Cathay as a diplomatic party who might know a thing or two.

Honestly, the non-aggression pact Dragomas picked up is far less impressive than the fact that he learnt how to turn into a Celestial Dragon. That indicates a level of familiarity that is far beyond "I spoke with them once".

I'm not seriously suggesting bringing Cathay on board, but this seems like a significantly hardline stance for a topic that we know little about.
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We do know a lot about the difficulties of even getting there and we can infer what they think of obscure strangers from half a world away. Point 3 is more of a stretch. We do not know how much Boney plans to take from TW after all. Maybe the Celestial Dragon is not a Dragon after all, maybe it's a really old elf from the Golden Age pretending to be a dragon pretending to be human, but no matter what they are still really far away and we have no reason to think they will give us the time of day without significant effort.
 
Codex said:
Even in the most far off suggestion, I'd never ask for full cooperation between the realms. The most crazy support I'd think we'd get is a single Caster from Cathay as a diplomatic party who might know a thing or two.

Honestly, the non-aggression pact Dragomas picked up is far less impressive than the fact that he learnt how to turn into a Celestial Dragon. That indicates a level of familiarity that is far beyond "I spoke with them once".

I'm not seriously suggesting bringing Cathay on board, but this seems like a significantly hardline stance for a topic that we know little about.
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I know that's not what you tried to imply at all but I now have the image of dragomas getting busy with Yao ming and it scares me.
 
Tobtorp said:
Right, I'm not good with keeping the eastern sounding names straight in my head. Sorry about that.
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I mean, I feel the same about slavic names. God knows I can't spell Baba Brzegnias's name. I had to check my spelling several times for Nadhezdha, and I'm still not sure I'm spelling Liljiana right and I'm scared to check. I just have experience with Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Warriors, so I have some experience with Chinese names as presented in those games. Zhang Fe, Guan Yu, Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan, Sun Ce, Sun Quan, Lu Bu, Zhuge Liang, Dong Zhuo, Yuan Shao etc. etc. It was my childhood.

My secret is to use mnemonics. I associate names with things in my head to make the connection easier. It hasn't worked for slavic names and might never work. I don't like spelling Brzegnias.

EDIT: I took my best shot at spelling the Baba's name from memory. It's probably wrong.
 
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I am still not convinced Dragonas is not a dragon cosplaying as a human. I mean Ambers tend of be loners and he was just a journeyman when he left, how many people would have known him then and how hard would be it be to account for any differences in behavior as just... having grown up. For that matter if he want to the then leadership of the Amber colleges and told them, yeah I am a dragon who can turn into a man I would like to join would they really have turned him down given the sheer scope of the power they would gain as an institution?
 
Mopman43 said:
It'd be a romance story about the plucky foreigner managing to warm the (metaphorical in this case) Ice Queen's cold and aloof heart.
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Not my thing. I also find the Imrik/Miao Ying ship annoying. Something about seeing a cold woman makes people really rabid about pairing her with a man to "make her cheer up" and I really dislike that. The concept isn't bad, but I've really soured on it over the years.
 
Also, Miao Ying isn't cold, she is twitchy.

Now, to be fair, running the Great Bastion, which is exercise in 'the cruelties of the necessary' in of itself even before demon bullshit, for most of history would make me twitchy as fuck too. But that doesn't change the fact that she is not a meet cute kind of gal.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Also, Miao Ying isn't cold, she is a twitchily Bitch.

Now, to be fair, running the Great Bastion, which is exercise in 'the cruelties of the necessary' in of itself even before demon bullshit, for most of history would make me twitchy as fuck too. But that doesn't change the fact that she is not a meet cute kind of gal.
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I'm going to be honest with you, I don't like how many times you use the word "bitch" to refer to women. This is like the 10th time I've seen you use it to refer to a woman. Even if it's accurate to refer to a female character as being pretty cold and ruthless, I don't think it's the kind of language that we should be endorsing here. I'm frankly getting kind of tired of it.
 
Codex said:
I'm going to be honest with you, I don't like how many times you use the word "bitch" to refer to women. This is like the 10th time I've seen you use it to refer to a woman. Even if it's accurate to refer to a female character as being pretty cold and ruthless, I don't think it's the kind of language that we should be endorsing here. I'm frankly getting kind of tired of it.
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Removed it before you commented as I noticed it myself.

Though to be fair, I don't always mean it as a bad thing. Bastard, bitch ahole, and 'That little shit' are used quite affectively where I'm from. (But ya, I'll stop.)
 
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