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As usual, it's morning and Boney updated after I went to sleep so I don't have time to go through the thread yet. For the moment, I'll just make an interim vote and say what convinced me - order of priorities is protect the empress first, networking second, "who deserves it" never because they all do and the longshanks are getting the lion's share regardless from being the ones actually on the ground and seen doing the thing.

[X] The Order of Light
Magister Matriarch- oops, you mean Lady Magister Mira of the Order of Light directed your attention here. Her getting the credit will shore up her position in the Light Order even more, and neatly extricate yourself from the matter.

This is our cover story. Leaning into that is extremely good - and provides a neat red herring for Alric to latch on to, since he isn't even aware of that. Also most directly provides political grist for use on the waystones project.

[X] The Templars of Sigmar
The information they provided demonstrated the value of a good relationship with the Holy Order of the Templars of Sigmar, and them getting the credit means that any attempts by others to investigate the matter further will run into an unyielding wall.

As a focus of people's inquiries they're a wall, though Veekie has made a case for it drawing a lot of suspicion, too. That said, the people who know about the people who actually know any of the details is vanishingly small in the first place: of the light order, a few besides Mira might know we met with Mira, and only Mira will know that we were sent to look into what Alric was doing. Our old mentor is tight lipped and fewer people will know of his direct involvement than they will of ours, considering we were the ones to organize the longshanks.

And the Longshanks themselves are thankful enough to us to offer the choice of official story, they're not going to chafe against it. "Mathilde was there" and "our target looked like this" is all they know, and the latter is basically public info already, but the info to connecting it to the actual identity of the target is itself locked up in the very same temple this option calls an unyielding wall. Someone would have to come at it from the other end - already knowing about Alberich and realizing the woodcut is of him - but there's little we could do about such a person if they turned their attention here.

Attributing it to the Templars of Sigmar would, however, be more likely to draw their attention here if such a person does exist and is inclined to do so, as Veekie pointed out.

Also, doesn't mesh with our cover story to our mentor as well, but again, dude's tight lipped and didn't much care about our stated reason anyways. He's good for it.

Lastly, as others have said: Building a positive connection to these folks is hard for a Wizard, and they proved their worth hard. This operation would have failed without those woodcuts. So, they're on my shortlist too.
 
As usual, it's morning and Boney updated after I went to sleep so I don't have time to go through the thread yet. For the moment, I'll just make an interim vote and say what convinced me - order of priorities is protect the empress first, networking second, "who deserves it" never because they all do and the longshanks are getting the lion's share regardless from being the ones actually on the ground and seen doing the thing.

[X] The Order of Light
Magister Matriarch- oops, you mean Lady Magister Mira of the Order of Light directed your attention here. Her getting the credit will shore up her position in the Light Order even more, and neatly extricate yourself from the matter.

This is our cover story. Leaning into that is extremely good - and provides a neat red herring for Alric to latch on to, since he isn't even aware of that. Also most directly provides political grist for use on the waystones project.

[X] The Templars of Sigmar
The information they provided demonstrated the value of a good relationship with the Holy Order of the Templars of Sigmar, and them getting the credit means that any attempts by others to investigate the matter further will run into an unyielding wall.

As a focus of people's inquiries they're a wall, though Veekie has made a case for it drawing a lot of suspicion, too. That said, the people who know about the people who actually know any of the details is vanishingly small in the first place: of the light order, a few besides Mira might know we met with Mira, and only Mira will know that we were sent to look into what Alric was doing. Our old mentor is tight lipped and fewer people will know of his direct involvement than they will of ours, considering we were the ones to organize the longshanks.

And the Longshanks themselves are thankful enough to us to offer the choice of official story, they're not going to chafe against it. "Mathilde was there" and "our target looked like this" is all they know, and the latter is basically public info already, but the info to connecting it to the actual identity of the target is itself locked up in the very same temple this option calls an unyielding wall. Someone would have to come at it from the other end - already knowing about Alberich and realizing the woodcut is of him - but there's little we could do about such a person if they turned their attention here.

Attributing it to the Templars of Sigmar would, however, be more likely to draw their attention here if such a person does exist and is inclined to do so, as Veekie pointed out.

Also, doesn't mesh with our cover story to our mentor as well, but again, dude's tight lipped and didn't much care about our stated reason anyways. He's good for it.

Lastly, as others have said: Building a positive connection to these folks is hard for a Wizard, and they proved their worth hard. This operation would have failed without those woodcuts. So, they're on my shortlist too.

Our cover story is 'we don't want Alric to have the glory' not 'we want the glory'. As the update says Alric has been upstaged, past tense, no matter that we choose he lost. It should be noted also that is is particularly hard to form positive long term relationships with the Templar of Sigmar when you... er disdain Sigmar, it is on the sheet and everything. I do not think we have the diplomacy to cover for that long term.
 
I would have loved to get the hedgewise in next turn.

But I'm not expecting to be able to get to the deal making stage with one action. Even with the grey collage in and (hopefully) a good showing at griffin forest.

The hedgewise are (for good reason) a skittish group of people.

On a scale of 'ward of the frost needed no convincing' to 'cult of blood laughing at the ideot that walk into their den as they do the bad stuff to them'

I would place Hedgewise as 'need to convince that, this really really is not a trap.'
 
[X] The Longshanks

The cult of Taal probably doesn't have much more then detailed maps when it comes to waystones, but we know they have at lest surface knowledge of worldroots from Mathilde speaking with Joerg during the Karag Dum expedition.

"In part. And what of the Worldroots?"

Your frown deepens. "I don't believe so. Unless it refers to leylines."

"They might be connected to them in some way. It's a network of underground passages that once connected all the lands of the world, but in modern times many of its branches are sickened or dead, and the Beastmen burrow into the dead Worldroots like woodworms. In this way the Beast-Paths allow Beastherds to reach many parts of the world unseen and unsuspected. It may be how they have reached this place, far from the defiled woods that they usually haunt, and how their population has survived however many years of combat with the Kurgan."
 
Well in that I do not much trust Tome of Salvation then, there is a lot of Syncretism going on in modern Warhammer. I do not find it very credible that the cults behaved so differently in the past when they would have has fewer resources, fewer people and fewer potentials to induct as priests. 'Taal smash' feels very revisionist to me because it is a narrative that very cleanly extricates the cult of Taal from being 'contaminated by other gods'. Of course we have only worshiped Taal and we drove all the interlopers out of every wood... all across the empire, while starting as a local river god in one province, we were just that awesome.

In this kind of polytheistic society it is a lot more likely to absorb other cults than destroy them.

Also there is the minor thing of that stone with Taal and the Phoenix and Ulric, even if the cult really is that young the god himself is much much older, old enough to have seen the coming of Chaos.

The Cults could easily have mellowed in their old age despite engaging in an absolute frenzy of bloodletting when they all first emerged and they all first emerged. How institutions behave when they're young and in existential danger of being extinguished is very different to how they behave nearly three millennia later when they've been institutions for one hundred and fifty generations.

By the history in Tome of Salvation, there is no humans institution in the real world as old as the Cult of Taal. Does the Catholic Chirch behave in the same way today as it did when the remains of Greco-Roman or Germanic paganism were destroyed? You don't need bishops accompanying armies burning holy sites to the ground, killing the priests and building churches on top of the ashes.

Of course not. The context is completely different. The Cult of Taal doesn't need to play hardball in the same way as it did when it was afraid that the nature god of the tribe next door might win.

And remember that the stone with the symbols on is vey unlikely to be written alphabetically. A symbol that is now translated as Taal may have nothing to do with Taal. Try distinguishing a symbol that is arguably a stylised pair of antlers between Kurnous and Taal. But that doesn't matter, as I'm talking about the cults as institutions in human society.
 
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The Cults could easily have mellowed in their old age despite engaging in an absolute frenzy of bloodletting when they all first emerged and they all first emerged. How institutions behave when they're young and in existential danger of being extinguished is very different to how they behave nearly three millennia later when they've been institutions for one hundred and fifty generations.

By the history in Tome of Salvation, there is no humans institution in the real world as old as the Cult of Taal. Does the Catholic Chirch behave in the same way today as it did when the remains of Greco-Roman or Germanic paganism were destroyed? You don't need bishops accompanying armies burning holy sites to the ground, killing the priests and building churches on top of the ashes.

Of course not. The context is completely different. The Cult of Taal doesn't need to play hardball in the same way as it did when it was afraid that the nature god of the tribe next door might win.

And remember that the stone with the symbols on is vey unlikely to be written alphabetically. A symbol that is now translated as Taal may have nothing to do with Taal. Try distinguishing a symbol made of antlers between Kurnous and Taal. But that doesn't matter, as I'm talking about the cults as institutions in human society.

I do not think today is a good metric the jump from pre-modern to modern is massive. Also I do not think the Catholic church is that good a metric because they are monotheists and the Taalites are not.

Lastly there is a difference between Kurnous and Taal? I'm betting if you ask Cython he will tell you there's no such thing. :V
 
[x] The Longshanks

Watch us start every future combat encounter with the wolf howl in hopes of getting the Ulric bonus and cementing Mathilde's reputation as the least subtle Grey wizard.
 
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[X] The Longshanks
Allow the Longshanks to take sole credit for the killing of a dangerous Magus and the thwarting of a Chaos plot. This would provide a very solid foundation to working with them again in the future.
 
I prefer Longshanks but I like any option except the Yourself option.

[x] The Order of Light
[x] The Longshanks
[x] The Templars of Sigmar
 
[X] The Order of Light

This is the best option for reducing suspicion towards Heidi, I think. It fits what we told Regimand we were here for, and will push Alric's attention towards Mira, where there's nothing to find. Mira herself will think we're just trying to milk her for favours, and it fits our established "overachiever" theme. Any outside observer who digs deeper will just see this as college politics.
 
Upon further consideration, giving credit to the College of Light, specifically Mira, seems like an invitation for Alric to poke at the details for something to smear Mira with. If the credit goes to a Witch Hunter faction, his motivation to poke at the family tree becomes considerably reduced.
 
[X] The Longshanks

If not for the Longshanks, then we wouldn't have been able to catch him. The Sigmarites were doing their duty. The Longshanks went above and beyond, and were willing to tackle a Chaos-blessed mutant in the streets on our say-so.
 
Locals that he himself could have worked with, if he hadn't been more concerned with self-aggrandizement than getting results. Which, if you think about it, highlights why he's a poor leader for his College. More than any other, the College of Light is about the efforts of the group.
To harp on this a little more, its interesting that we're this much better at rallying and uniting different forces than Alric given that our respective orders might make one think it would be the exact opposite. Makes me think that the general cultures in our respective Colleges taught us very different things in what it actually means to go above and beyond the call of duty. We're both operating out of our orders comfort zone in a way.
 
Also, i think the fish knife is a clue, not sure where it points to, maybe he was hiding with Norscans or the local fishery.
It was required for the ritualistic parody part of the murder:
Do we know the specific cause of death for the historic parallel to today's target?
Choked on a fish bone.


I would have loved to get the hedgewise in next turn.

But I'm not expecting to be able to get to the deal making stage with one action. Even with the grey collage in and (hopefully) a good showing at griffin forest.

The hedgewise are (for good reason) a skittish group of people.

On a scale of 'ward of the frost needed no convincing' to 'cult of blood laughing at the ideot that walk into their den as they do the bad stuff to them'

I would place Hedgewise as 'need to convince that, this really really is not a trap.'
If only we belonged to the one Order that has unoffical relations with them, and had a divine artifact to make them trust us on top of that...
 
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