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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Lampshade said:
For me, talking to Mira isn't about benefits but getting her input on her desired outcome, brainstorming how to make it happen, how far we can interfere with Alric and what would the likely consequences be.
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what is this supposed to do for our own goals though?
The way I see it, this would only add more restriction for us/Mathilde for no actual gain towards our own goal of preventing the empress from getting implicated.
If there is nothing Mira can contribute to our efforts that we want her to contribute, then i dont see the point in negotiating with her
 
@Boney Would it be fair to say that Mira would feel more appreciative that Mathilde sabotaged Alric without directly renegotiating the terms of their deal? So even without renegotiating, doing so would still help make her more amenable to future cooperation.

[x] Plan: Ritual Centre with Mira
 
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Boney said:
Alkharad, Alric, Alberich... huh. Bit of an odd pattern forming here.
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So, my takeaway is that if you ever give us a name starting with Z, they are implicitly trustworthy. ;)

DragonParadox said:
Pit of Shadow does not throw one into the warp, if it did it would be illegal. What it does is throw you on the razor sharp edge of the shadow realm between the real and the unreal, annihilating those thrown in
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I actually doubt this explanation. Mostly because the "pit" metaphor in the name is utterly opposite the "blade-thin" metaphor you are saying it relies on.

My guess is something else is going on with the spell, and like anything else to do with magic, assuming we know how it works without checking is just arrogance.
 
Glau said:
So, my takeaway is that if you ever give us a name starting with Z, they are implicitly trustworthy. ;)



I actually doubt this explanation. Mostly because the "pit" metaphor in the name is utterly opposite the "blade-thin" metaphor you are saying it relies on.

My guess is something else is going on with the spell, and like anything else to do with magic, assuming we know how it works without checking is just arrogance.
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The Pit in Pit of Shades is translated from Elathrin, a language notorious for using the same name for opposite concepts. Maybe the original could just as easily be called Blade of Shadows.
 
[X] Play to our Strengths.
[X] Plan: Interested Parties
[X] Plan The Hunt is On-no plunder
[X] Plan: Ritual Centre with Mira
 
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Glau said:
I actually doubt this explanation. Mostly because the "pit" metaphor in the name is utterly opposite the "blade-thin" metaphor you are saying it relies on.

My guess is something else is going on with the spell, and like anything else to do with magic, assuming we know how it works without checking is just arrogance.
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We were told that's what it does by Algard. The pit is probably just because the spell manifests as a circle of blackness on the ground that looks like a pit.
 
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Glau said:
I actually doubt this explanation. Mostly because the "pit" metaphor in the name is utterly opposite the "blade-thin" metaphor you are saying it relies on.

My guess is something else is going on with the spell, and like anything else to do with magic, assuming we know how it works without checking is just arrogance.
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Boney has weighed in on this before, the Pit of Shade creates an entrance to the so-called "Shadow Realm" which is the infinitely thin edge between reality and the Warp. Nothing can exist there unless you artificially expanded it like the Grey College does with their campus.

Boney said:
That's a big part of why there's no reason for the daemons to use it. Unless artificially changed, the shadow realm has a thickness of absolute zero. The spell to transport things there, Pit of Shades, is a weapon because it obliterates everything that enters.
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Boney said:
Mathilde has been told that Pit of Shades works by slitting open a hole between reality and the very thin plane between reality and the warp, which crushes anything that's sucked into it. Slitting that open across the width of a battlefield seems like it would do bad things. And something aimed with the hand seems worse at targeting than something aimed with the mind.
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DragonParadox said:
The Pit in Pit of Shades is translated from Elathrin, a language notorious for using the same name for opposite concepts. Maybe the original could just as easily be called Blade of Shadows.
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Maybe. But it's a looooong way from that to just casually starting it as a known fact like you did.

And Algard noted that when we were literally inside that "impossibly thin edge" so we KNOW from personal experience that just getting sucked into that dimension doesn't actually kill or destroy anything. Not on it's own.

So I maintain there is more going on here, and I'd appreciate a little more humbleness about what you do and don't know.
 
Loved the update. Regimand's antics with Mathilde are great, really happy we brought him in.

Still not sure what to vote, but I am unironically starting to think that Mathilde's obsession with the manor loot is the influence of the Tempter. Payback for Vlag, perhaps.
I'm probably just being paranoid and Mathilde is simply reacting as she always does at the sight of silk sheets (get on with it Francesco), but this whole investigation is making me nervous. I can't help but feel that we're missing something crucial, and I have no idea what we should do to rectify that.
 
Glau said:
And Algard noted that when we were literally inside that "impossibly thin edge" so we KNOW from personal experience that just getting sucked into that dimension doesn't actually kill or destroy anything. Not on it's own
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The Grey College campus has an artificially expanded bubble courtesy of Teclis. The shadow realm is uninhabitable and destroys everything by default unless you tweaked it.
 
Glau said:
Maybe. But it's a looooong way from that to just casually starting it as a known fact like you did.

And Algard noted that when we were literally inside that "impossibly thin edge" so we KNOW from personal experience that just getting sucked into that dimension doesn't actually kill or destroy anything. Not on it's own.

So I maintain there is more going on here, and I'd appreciate a little more humbleness about what you do and don't know.
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I mean it is literally the information that the Magister Patriarch of the Grey Order gave us, I do not feel the need to be 'humble' about stating that as fact anymore than I would about say Heidi claiming something about Ranald or Kragg about runes. It was a person in authority on the subject, to a degree greater than the PoV character, claiming it.
 
Pit of Shades got a massive revamp between Editions btw. In 8th Edition it's an instant death spell. You know what it was in 6th Edition?

You open up a pit under a unit. Units that fall take a Strength 3 hit, equal to the attack of a regular human. They then get a chance to climb out. Climbing out makes the unit move at half speed next turn. The pit politely closes after the person inside clambers out. It doesn't close over someone, it just waits for them to leave. What a nice Pit of Shades.
 
Codex said:
Pit of Shades got a massive revamp between Editions btw. In 8th Edition it's an instant death spell. You know what it was in 6th Edition?

You open up a pit under a unit. Units that fall take a Strength 3 hit, equal to the attack of a regular human. They then get a chance to climb out. Climbing out makes the unit move at half speed next turn. The pit politely closes after the person inside clambers out. It doesn't close over someone, it just waits for them to leave. What a nice Pit of Shades.
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That's more a pit of polite falling...
 
Codex said:
Pit of Shades got a massive revamp between Editions btw. In 8th Edition it's an instant death spell. You know what it was in 6th Edition?

You open up a pit under a unit. Units that fall take a Strength 3 hit, equal to the attack of a regular human. They then get a chance to climb out. Climbing out makes the unit move at half speed next turn. The pit politely closes after the person inside clambers out. It doesn't close over someone, it just waits for them to leave. What a nice Pit of Shades.
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That sounds more like an illusion that tricks those affected into thinking they've fallen than an actual hole in the ground.
 
[x] Plan: Ritual Centre
-[x] Surveil the spa Unfahigers
-[x] Surveil the hunting lodge Unfahigers
-[x] Research: Alberich's life
 
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Resonant said:
The Grey College campus has an artificially expanded bubble courtesy of Teclis. The shadow realm is uninhabitable and destroys everything by default unless you tweaked it.
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This is an assumption you are making. You do understand that, right? We don't know if it's the grey college bubble or the battle magic destruction that is the usual behavior, since we don't know either of the two spells.

We don't even know if one of the two behaviors is "usual", or if they are both riffs off of a third base state.

All I am asking for is epistemic humility. Don't present your assumptions as facts.

DragonParadox said:
I mean it is literally the information that the Magister Patriarch of the Grey Order gave us, I do not feel the need to be 'humble' about stating that as fact anymore than I would about say Heidi claiming something about Ranald or Kragg about runes. It was a person in authority on the subject, to a degree greater than the PoV character, claiming it.
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The, uh, same paragraphs in which he was cautioning is about how much we barely understand the surface levels of this sort of a secret? That statement?

Because it feels a LOT like you are taking what he cautioned is to read as personal speculation on the part of our patriarch and presenting it as inarguable fact.


Please, please, please just ease up on the "this is OBVIOUS" attitude for stuff we don't know really? It's an aggravating way of "discussing" things.
 
[x] Plan: Ritual Centre
-[x] Surveil the spa Unfahigers
-[x] Surveil the hunting lodge Unfahigers
-[x] Research: Alberich's life
 
Jreengus said:
I'll admit I hadn't considered that picking right could completely invalidate the other option but I assume in that case Boney would let us repick the second option as if there is nothing to gain from it Mathilde wouldn't just blindly do so anyway simply because she had penciled it into her calendar. @Boney can you confirm that if the surveil option Mathilde decides to do second becomes redundant after the first surveil she will skip that action and let us pick to do something else?
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That can't be how it'll work. Even if Boney makes us repick, that means picking both games the system since those are our only two options. The obvious result of this is that the correct one will be written last while the wrong one is presented prior. That was my whole point of it being wasted, certainty of the correct one over available Actions. We're not pressured for time that this was necessary.
 
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