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If we bring the Ice Witches the head of... whatever it is that's getting people spooked in the Forest of Shadows, they might not even ask us a price for their aid—that would be twice we've proven ourselves to them.
It would likely help if we put our coin to protector. But I sort of doubt we can both investigate and solve the problem with only one AP. Unless the bad guy decides to jump us to save us time, but that has it's own problem.
 
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Roswita, to get a sense for who will control Sylvania after you turned down the position.
[X] Kasmir, to see how partnership with Sylvania's native faith has been going.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
 
@Boney question.
On a scale from 1 to 10 (one being kragg grumbling heavily until all the elfs stop being so... Elven and 10 being him smashing the Grey lords heads in while throwing torches at anything even remotely wooden.) what does Mathilde think kraggs reaction would be upon being asked to help with the waystone project?

It would take a great deal of time and effort to get it through to him that she's not talking about doing so at the head of an army.

Who even talks to him about this stuff? A non-magical secretary? Because any colleague would just say "I know, right?"

He'd have built up a support staff over the years, which would largely consist of people who aren't magically hardwired to reject their job.

It's five this time. Has it always been five?

Since the disbanding of the duckling club.

Nehekhara's hierarchy is tight-knit enough that going to a lesser Tomb King would cause problems? It's not as if anyone there knows who she is.

Settra has had thirty-six centuries to cement his complete dominance over Nehekhara's hierarchy.

Is it from somewhere in canon or did it become Quest canon back when Mathilde rolled well with that one headsman near Wurtbad?

It's canon, 2e Sigmar's Heirs describes the culture and typical appearance of the inhabitants of every province.

Wait, Panoramia's mom is a Lady Magister? I thought she was just a regular Magister. And that Magisters married to Perpetuals shouldn't be all that rare in the Jade Order.

She was a Magister. Then she got promoted.

That's the part I wanted to know. The trouble being of the type that causes military mobilization is already new information.

If there were enough consistent threads in the rumours to distil into useful information, Mathilde would have already done so.

I didn't know that was a prerequisite to hang out. So he's only gonna try and get to know Thorek for now?

No, he's going to spend time among the society that he has dedicated thousands of years to protecting, which he feels more kinship towards than he does a foreign visitor of another species.

@Boney if Culloch doesn't win, can we still find out what Panoramia's parents are called afterwards. I mean finding her and going "what were your parents called anyway" seems to make sense, no?

It would also make sense to respect Panoramia's extremely obvious desire to not discuss the subject.

Hmmm, @Boney we got several choices for the lights but only one for the jades. Is that because we know the lights better or do the jades just don't like this topic very much?

It's because Mira and Paranoth are different people with different priorities.

Also could we try to get maybe the perpetual through other means? Hiring him? Having Panoramia ask (if it really her dad) if he wants to help out?

Paranoth explained that empowering this faction within the Jades is problematic for him. Doing so behind his back would be an extremely efficient way to piss him off.
 
It would likely help if we put our coin to protector. But I sort of doubt we can both investigate and solve the problem with only one AP. Unless the bad guy decides to jump us to save us time, but that has it's own problem.
Thinking about it for a bit. Mathilde is actually really hard to ambush even assuming perfect knowledge about her capabilities. She rides a shadow horse which means she goes super fast so you have to know exactly where she is going ahead of time. Her mage sight is fine tuned enough to spot all sorts of attackers or trickery. She constantly wears a robe that is the equivalent of an inch of plate mail with dwarfen runework further enhancing her toughness. Also said dwarf runework spites back physical attacks twice as hard as well as burning spells out of the casters mind.

If you don't bring down Mathilde in the first blow she can generally escape by teleport, turning invisible, throwing down a sphere of darkness ect. And will heal.

All of this put together means that Mathilde riding along by herself is fairly safe. The real danger is when we have companions that we don't want to abandon.
 
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[X] Yes
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[X] Middenland, to see how the Ulricans are going with their new Eonir coreligionists.
[X] Kasmir, to see how partnership with Sylvania's native faith has been going.

Still super-interested in Sylvanian indigenous religion.
 
He'd have built up a support staff over the years, which would largely consist of people who aren't magically hardwired to reject their job.

"So, that's the job. Any questions?

"Erm. One. Why does this secretarial position pay three times the going rate, even for secretaries within the Colleges?"

"Your boss has the most paperwork-intensive job in the Colleges. He's also a Lord Magister so steeped in ghur that it took us twenty years to convince him to wear pants."

"...I wish to negotiate a pay rise."
 
The requirements for both getting and actually running the office in any measure are entirely different.
We, uh, don't actually know either of those things for the Jades, unless I missed something. Though it can probably be assumed to be correct that being the head of a Wizard College is not literally identical to being the president of a country, although I don't believe that's actually necessarily germane to the point I was making as that was rather broader in nature.

But regardless, if you literally can't conceive of a highly placed academic rejecting their colleagues' position on a contentious topic where there is no consensus opinion in their department/field for reasons relating to academic/office politics rather than because it is the objectively correct conclusion then I don't really know what to tell you. Other than maybe "try getting to know some actual real-life academics, and prepare to be shocked at how outright typical that actually is."
 
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[X] Yes
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
 
Hmmm, @Boney we got several choices for the lights but only one for the jades. Is that because we know the lights better or do the jades just don't like this topic very much. Also could we try to get maybe the perpetual through other means? Hiring him? Having Panoramia ask (if it really her dad) if he wants to help out?
There's also hidden rolls. Be they diplomacy rolls or rolls regarding Paranoth's knowledge or anything else that might be going on under the engine hood.

In character Mira believes in the whole thing while Paranoth apparently doesn't. Which is weird honestly. Because even if he himself thinks his Order has nothing to offer, shouldn't he be more than happy to be roped in? It would finally allow his Order to actually know more than people think they do.

Honestly, something is quite off. He didn't even present someone to choose in case we agree with his assessment but want the Jade College on board anyway. You know, a secularist that doesn't cause him political problems and that we therefore get for free, or even with the Jade Order secularist faction owing us a favor instead. That's what I would have proposed alongside the other options in his position.
If there were enough consistent threads in the rumours to distil into useful information, Mathilde would have already done so.
But that is useful information. It means that the nobles of Ostermark think that the problem is likely of the kind that an army might help solve.
Anyway, I was just confused/annoyed regarding how people could report trouble brewing despite having literally zero information. "The locals are mustering an army against something and every traveler has some supposed reason as to why they are doing it" is reason enough to note it down.

That said, I don't quite get why Paranoth personally cares about this more than, say, Algard or Dragomas or the Emperor, given that his Order doesn't have much of a presence there anyway. Or why the nobility of Ostermark is keeping the debacle a secret from the Colleges. But maybe Paranoth's reasons are secret too, which is fair enough.

In any case, there's definitely at least some sort of Grey Wizard boots on the ground in Ostermark. It's Kramovich's home after all and the place he had to show contact with back when he was still pretending to be a double agent (which he still is, in a way). So no matter how we tackle it, looping him in and connecting with local agents of our own Order before roping in other magical traditions is a no brainer.
It would also make sense to respect Panoramia's extremely obvious desire to not discuss the subject.
She's literally hiding her parents names from Mathilde. That kind of has me worried about the health of their relationship. Especially if Mathilde has a good reason to want to know like, say, "I might meet them professionally and don't want to be blindsided because for all I know they are aware we're dating and might bring it up out of nowhere".
 
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An Excerpt from the Journal of Soiz- oh look! A new update! Awesome.


I really liked having Pan onscreen again. I like that her patriarch got to take a look at her stuff personally, and give her feedback. And I really like the option to form an adventuring party and go kill some gribblies as part of our job. I vote Johann, Max, us, Egrimm, and the elven champion if he's interested in doing a spot of sightseeing and hunting, or Egrimm's quartet of he declines. Tank, ranged, off-tank/scout, healer/DPS, and a free agent or more magic firepower.

[X] Yes

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Gretel, who's apparently getting involved in the Karaz Ankor's ambitions in the Border Princes.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.

She's literally hiding her parents names from Mathilde. That kind of has me worried about the health of their relationship. Especially if Mathilde has a good reason to want to know like, say, "I might meet them professionally and don't want to be blindsided because for all I know they are aware we're dating and might bring it up out of nowhere".

Dude, she ran away to an expedition to the distant and mythical Karak Eightpeaks rather than staying close to her parents and that was after driving headfirst into a purge of Mordheim as a brand new journey woman. Idk about you, but that doesn't say happy relationship to me.
 
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[X] Yes

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld.

[X] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch.

[X] The Amber College, to check in on the salamanders.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.

[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
 
[ ] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
An ambitious pioneer in Jade rituals who has spent recent years engaged in the Sylvanian campaign, experimenting with ways to purify the soil. She knows more than any other about the rituals that descended from Druidic rites.
Is "Tochter" her first name or her honorific title? I could see it go both ways. On the one hand "Tochter" literally means daughter, Grunfeld seems to be the foremost and most powerful devotee to the old ways within the Jade Order and we already know that many internally raised Jades don't do surnames. On the other hand this is Warhammer and GW has barely any clue about what is and isn't a name.
 
She's literally hiding her parents names from Mathilde. That kind of has me worried about the health of their relationship. Especially if Mathilde has a good reason to want to know like, say, "I might meet them professionally and don't want to be blindsided because for all I know they are aware we're dating and might bring it up out of nowhere".

Panoramia indicated that it wasn't a topic she wanted to discuss, and Mathilde has respected that. This is basic courtesy, and it's extremely weird to me to see this painted as a reason to worry about their relationship.

Mathilde hasn't told Panoramia her parents' names either. Should Panoramia have pried at an extremely obviously sore topic? Should she have badgered Mathilde until she caved and exhumed her childhood trauma to satisfy Panoramia's curiosity?

Is "Tochter" her first name or her honorific title? I could see it go both ways. On the one hand "Tochter" literally means daughter, Grunfeld seems to be the foremost and most powerful devotee to the old ways within the Jade Order and we already know that many internally raised Jades don't do surnames. On the other hand this is Warhammer and GW has barely any clue about what is and isn't a name.

Her canonical honorific title in the future is 'Jade Mother', so it's her name.
 
She's literally hiding her parents names from Mathilde. That kind of has me worried about the health of their relationship. Especially if Mathilde has a good reason to want to know like, say, "I might meet them professionally and don't want to be blindsided because for all I know they are aware we're dating and might bring it up out of nowhere".
Panpan has made no bones about her relationship with her parents being frosty at best.
 
[x] Yes
[x] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch
[x] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[x] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[x] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[x] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[x] Kasmir, to see how partnership with Sylvania's native faith has been going.
 
Dude, she ran away to an expedition to the distant and mythical Karak Eightpeaks rather than staying close to her parents and that was after driving headfirst into a purge of Mordheim as a brand new journey woman. Idk about you, but that doesn't say happy relationship to me.
That explains why she doesn't want to talk about them (which actually she already did by the way). But stating their names when her girlfriend might very well just meet them at work and has to collaborate with them is a different matter entirely. Like, imagine if Mathilde gives the Project representatives a tour of K8P for whatever reason. And lo and behold, suddenly Panoramia's dad is right there where Panoramia is and Mathilde had no chance to warn her beforehand.
Panoramia indicated that it wasn't a topic she wanted to discuss, and Mathilde has respected that. This is basic courtesy, and it's extremely weird to me to see this painted as a reason to worry about their relationship.

Mathilde hasn't told Panoramia her parents' names either. Should Panoramia have pried at an extremely obviously sore topic? Should she have badgered Mathilde until she caved and exhumed her childhood trauma to satisfy Panoramia's curiosity?
In a case where said parents are abandoned peasants that don't matter anymore that's one thing. But when there's a clear chance of meeting them due to job related reasons a forewarning is just natural. Else you are just asking to play the lead role in one of those romantic dramas where all problems are due to miscommunication.
And Panoramia had little problem telling Mathilde that her parents are both in the Jade Order, that one is a Magister and one a Perpetual and that her mom taught her quite a bit of magic despite not being her official Master. After that "please tell me their names so I'm not blindsided" is really not an unfair thing to ask. In any relationship that's more than FWBs.

Now if you say that Mathilde sees it differently and that she won't ask her for IC reasons then okay, whatever, I'll accept that. But I really don't think my view in situations like this is unreasonable.

And since you asked, personally I do think that telling Panoramia about where Mathilde came from would make sense (even if in that specific case names don't really matter). The two of them have been a couple for how many years now?
 
In a case where said parents are abandoned peasants that don't matter anymore that's one thing. But when there's a clear chance of meeting them due to job related reasons a forewarning is just natural. Else you are just asking to play the lead role in one of those romantic dramas where all problems are due to miscommunication.
And Panoramia had little problem telling Mathilde that her parents are both in the Jade Order, that one is a Magister and one a Perpetual and that her mom taught her quite a bit of magic despite not being her official Master. After that "please tell me their names so I'm not blindsided" is really not an unfair thing to ask. In any relationship that's more than FWBs.

Now if you say that Mathilde sees it differently and that she won't ask her for IC reasons then okay, whatever, I'll accept that. But I really don't think my view in situations like this is unreasonable.

And since you asked, personally I do think that telling Panoramia about where Mathilde came from would make sense (even if in that specific case names don't really matter). The two of them have been a couple for how many years now?

Respecting someone's boundaries is the bare minimum amount of respect you should show to literally everybody, let alone a romantic partner. Please stop insisting otherwise.
 
And since you asked, personally I do think that telling Panoramia about where Mathilde came from would make sense (even if in that specific case names don't really matter).
There's been zero indication that Mathilde wants to talk about that and quite a lot of indication of the opposite. In a world with therapists and psychiatrists this might be a healthy thing to bring up at some point, but unless there's a warhammer version of Wilhelm Wundt running around it's my opinion that it's better left in the past.
 
[X] Yes
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[X] Middenland, to see how the Ulricans are going with their new Eonir coreligionists.
[X] Kasmir, to see how partnership with Sylvania's native faith has been going.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
 
Respecting someone's boundaries is the bare minimum amount of respect you should show to literally everybody, let alone a romantic partner. Please stop insisting otherwise.
Ya know what, I'm not going to argue this topic here anymore. At this point it won't aid in the enjoyment of the story and just frustrate people who read it enough to lead to a derail. If anyone wants to tell me how I'm wrong, my DMs are open and I will engage. And maybe even learn. Who knows.

As for the vote: Some people seem like they might have been influenced to vote for Culloch because he is (probably) Pan's father. But after this discussion, if his parental status should influence the vote at all, it clearly should influence us to vote against him. Because apparently Mathilde knows that if he is her father, he might well have traumatized the woman she loves.
 
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One thing to consider is that Panoramia seems to think that she knew of secrets that she could not even confirm the existence of. That seems to heavily imply that Paranoth is either underplaying his hand for political reasons - he'd rather not empower the faction that has the secrets - or that they have kept secrets from him deliberately. And keep in mind that Panoramia comes frmo a very druidy part of the order, given her mother didn't want to break the mother-daughter chain from the beginning of time. She might be in a better place to know of such secrets than even the magister partiarch.
 
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[X] Yes
[X] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch

Two-for-one deal here: We recruit an expert with the knowledge we need, and he'll likely travel with his very-much-intimidating Lord Magister wife. The not-inconsiderable chance that this might be how Mathilde meets Panoramia's parents would also be an interesting narrative bonus on top.

While I know we would likely want a ritualist for various reasons, I also think these two characters just sound way more fun and interesting to have on-screen than the others.
I would like to point out that we used the Gambler on the Jade Recruiting action, and how it's definitely just a coincidence that the action they want from us involves going to the border between Kislev and Ostermark, fairly close to where one might expect to find the Ostermark Hedgewise and the Ice Witches.
Here's where I think The Gambler took effect:
"I apologize that you weren't greeted at the gates, Magister Patriarch," Panoramia says. "We hadn't anticipated your visit."

"No way for you to have. I wanted to visit the 'green slate' myself at some point, and the Order happened to reach me with news that the Lady Magister was trying to get in touch while I was passing through Barak Varr. Any word I said would have travelled alongside me.
Word reached Paranoth just as he happened to be close enough to journey to K8P. And the result is we met at a time where Panoramia happened to get praise and advice from her Order's leader.
 
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"No," you say. "Okay, you know what? Wait here."

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Ten minutes later, you return to the balcony with your teaching aid. "This," you say brightly, "is Little Franz, the Cooper. Say hi, Franz."
Just noticed that Math already knew of Little Franz, the Cooper, and enough of what he did to know to go grab him as a teaching aid. More evidence that what he did truly were important deeds :)
 
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