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[X] Faith
Sacrifice the crystal to Ranald in an act of dedication to Him.

I never really wanted to work around with divine like this, so giving it to our oldest friend feels best to me.
Moratorium, buddy
Snooping through Ranald's things might make him disappointed, but knowing that one his most faithful has pulled a heist on the entire pantheon would probably make up for it.
I think this is less 'oh cool heist' and more 'well you basically committed one count of identity fraud on accident, then countless more intentionally, for the purposes of essentially dissecting our natures'. There's a reason he told us to knock it off with the Coin.
 
Oh no I can feel the hubris rising in me. This combines so many of my favorite things: deep lore about magic and the nature of reality, vast cosmic power, and Crime.
 
I mean, in that story he was kinda an ass.

Point is, Ranald isn't going to reward us for stealing from him deliberately. An accident corrected immediately can be laughed off, but we have been given Specific and Very Clear warning not to continue Theurgy. There is no metric where picking Truth is anything but a betrayal of Ranald's trust. Even if Faith gets us nothing, I'd still rather choose that than Truth.

There is a metric depending on why Ranald warned us. If we warned us because he doesn't want to be studied then it is a betryal of his trust. If he warned us in order to protect us, as the passage implied is possible, then this isn't a betrayal.
 
So you think Ranald, the god who stole divinity by tricking Shaylla is a massive hypocrite who would revoke his blessings for accidentally stealing from him and never doing anything with the proceeds. Are you trying to convince us to change gods? :V
Did you somehow completely miss that the point of the Greatest Trick isn't that he stole Divinity from Shallya, but that he managed to trick humanity into ever thinking he was human in the first place?

That story never happened, it's a trick. A ruse. He made it up.
 
No, we were told not to look at him. We were never told not to take Ulric's fingerprints, to choose a god at random.
Our warning was, and I'm quoting exactly here, "Don't." You can be specific if you want about the single act which prompted it, being trying to look at him. I'm choosing to interpret it as a general warning about Theurgy in general, especially given Nagash is a thing I'm sure none of the Gods of Humanity want to deal with again.
 
Did you somehow completely miss that the point of the Greatest Trick isn't that he stole Divinity from Shallya, but that he managed to trick humanity into ever thinking he was human in the first place?

That story never happened, it's a trick. A ruse. He made it up.

If you choose to believe that wing of his cult. But then there is another wing of the cult that claims he is omnipotent and made the world, so maybe you should not be as definitive on statements about his divinity
 
…Oh god this is a choice. On the one hand, high piety and not going to war with the cult's long held secrecy. On the other SCIENCE and honestly just being kinda faithful in another way? Because stealing the secrets of divinity seems like the sort of thing Ranald would love, and I think he made it clear he doesn't actually mind us studying this stuff as long as we don't hurt ourselves doing it?

Plus, Piety is 26. Learning is 29. The numbers speak clearly.

At least I can be sure we won't be destroying this for no reason.
I don't like comparing just the numbers like this because numbers are just how good we are at a thing. The words are what they mean to us.
Ranald has your back, and you have His.

The magical world makes more sense to you than the 'real' one.
Sure Mathilde is a better scholar than a priest, however that doesn't mean her research and the pursuit of learning mean more to her than her faith and her relationship with Ranald.
You committed copyright infringement against Ranald.
I have deduced what faith looks like.
"Hey Ranald I stole your shit. Guess that makes me god of thieves now. AHAHAHAH... Wait, where did my stuff go?"
 
[ ] Truth
Prepare a secure container to store the crystal in, with room for many more to come.

This is the option a real devotee of Ranald should pick. The ultimate theft!

It is literally the untrustworthy wizard seeking to steal fire from the gods
To be clear: Prometheus was a hero who saved the lives of countless mortals, and everyone with ethics should do the same. We just shouldn't get caught doing it ;)

Mathilde will miraculously steal the imprint being unobserved
This is ridiculous!
  • Chaos cults somehow operate unobserved within religious sites all the fucking time (sometimes within the Church of Sigmar, even!). If they can do it, then so can we!
  • Ranald's Coin will definitely help us pull off those heists! And if it doesn't and I've misread Ranald's desire to pull off crazy thefts from other Gods, at least we'll get a clear signal when we try to use the Coin on this.
 
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Our warning was, and I'm quoting exactly here, "Don't." You can be specific if you want about the single act which prompted it, being trying to look at him. I'm choosing to interpret it as a general warning about Theurgy in general, especially given Nagash is a thing I'm sure none of the Gods of Humanity want to deal with again.

Ah yes the Gods of Humanity... you know like Loec. Sorry but if I thought Ranald was that much of a hypocrite I would choose to pick another god
 
We're the Grey Lady Magister. We should know that there are some secrets that should remain hidden.
My initial instinc was to burn everything, so []Prudence, but we're also a faithful Ranaldite, so burning it at Ranald's altar is a better alternative. So []Faith here.
 
Did you somehow completely miss that the point of the Greatest Trick isn't that he stole Divinity from Shallya, but that he managed to trick humanity into ever thinking he was human in the first place?

That story never happened, it's a trick. A ruse. He made it up.
One could also argue that the trick was convincing him that he ever wasn't a human, given there's no reason to think that Ranald's tricks and tales would be one-note with an obvious outcome.
 
About the Prometheus thing... Guys, I think Boney's warning may have been about the reaction that OTHER gods would have to this, rather than to Ranald specifically.

I think this was Boney saying: "What're the possible effects of Mathilde doing the 'Prepare a secure container to store the crystal in, with room for many more to come.' thing with not just Ranald but other Gods -- whom we don't have a close relationship to -- too? Weelll... Take a look at the myth of Prometheus for possible examples."

So, no, I don't think Ranald would necessarily smite us for this.

I do think, however, that we would be holding knowledge and means -- or researching to gain the knowledge and means -- for which other gods would or might smite us for. And like, sure, if it was just Gork and Mork and Hashut and Stromfels and Khaine we were going to target? Fine, okay. Risky as hell, but not unethical, due to targeting enemies and all that, right?

But our targets of potential possible research would also include all the other gods too. And we would be on far more uncertain and unknown (and possibly unknowable, since we wouldn't be able to put in the time and effort to get to know every other god as personally and thoroughly as we did Ranald) grounds there. And the temptation would be there all the while. The temptation of knowing better, or of "Well this is necessary" or "This is for the greater good" or "For science!"

That's another major reason I don't want to do Truth, and want to do Faith instead. Because I don't want to risk entering into a conflict of interests of Mathilde versus Gods. And instead, I'd rather stick with the guy we have a great relationship with instead.
 
So, just in case there is anyone who isn't familiar with the myth of Prometheus, the simplified version is that he is supposed to be the titan who stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans, against the wishes of Zeus. Zeus was Not Amused (TM).

Quoting Wikipedia...

The punishment of Prometheus as a consequence of the theft of fire and giving it to humans is a popular subject of both ancient and modern culture. Zeus, king of the Olympian gods, sentenced Prometheus to eternal torment for his transgression. Prometheus was bound to a rock, and an eagle—the emblem of Zeus—was sent to eat his liver (in ancient Greece, the liver was often thought to be the seat of human emotions). His liver would then grow back overnight, only to be eaten again the next day in an ongoing cycle. According to several major versions of the myth, most notably that of Hesiod, Prometheus was eventually freed by the hero Heracles.

Anyone who wants to vote Truth should carefully consider the benefits and drawbacks of possibly getting a Blessing of Major Liver Regeneration from an exceptionally pissed Ranald.
I'd also like to point out that he had a clear goal and was stealing from jerks actively refusing to help humanity.

That is the literal opposite if our situation. Ranald is nice, we have no clear goal, and the gods help humanity constantly.
 
About the Prometheus thing... Guys, I think Boney's warning may have been about the reaction that OTHER gods would have to this, rather than to Ranald specifically.

I think this was Boney saying: "What're the possible effects of Mathilde doing the 'Prepare a secure container to store the crystal in, with room for many more to come.' thing with not just Ranald but other Gods -- whom we don't have a close relationship to -- too? Weelll... Take a look at the myth of Prometheus for possible examples."

So, no, I don't think Ranald would necessarily smite us for this.

I do think, however, that we would be holding knowledge and means -- or researching to gain the knowledge and means -- for which other gods would or might smite us for. And like, sure, if it was just Gork and Mork and Hashut and Stromfels and Khaine we were going to target? Fine, okay. Risky as hell, but not unethical, due to targeting enemies and all that, right?

But our targets of potential possible research would also include all the other gods too. And we would be on far more uncertain and unknown (and possibly unknowable, since we wouldn't be able to put in the time and effort to get to know every other god as personally and thoroughly as we did Ranald) grounds there. And the temptation would be there all the while. The temptation of knowing better, or of "Well this is necessary" or "This is for the greater good" or "For science!"

That's another major reason I don't want to do Truth, and want to do Faith instead. Because I don't want to risk entering into a conflict of interests of Mathilde versus Gods. And instead, I'd rather stick with the guy we have a great relationship with instead.

Gods as a group do not have common interests, gods fight wars with one another. the very idea of the Gods of Order is artificial and meta, much like the Forces of Order broadly.
 
Eh, I don't really see much to say this is a definitive betrayal of Ranald specifically. Sure, we kept this one thing we accidentally took. but it's not like we're stealing more of his stuff, and can easily keep him out of our study. We'll have plenty of other examples to look at.
 
Ah yes the Gods of Humanity... you know like Loec. Sorry but if I thought Ranald was that much of a hypocrite I would choose to pick another god
Then you probably should. Being hypocritical is a mainstay of polytheistic gods. Ranald himself might not smite us the way Sigmar, Ulric, or Morr absolutely would, but he'd probably renounce us and revoke all his blessings. And that's be us getting off lightly.
 
What a great, agonizing choice you've put in front of us, Boney.

I am super tempted by the Truth option, honestly. But I don't think it's quite worth bringing down the wrath of the Gods down on us.
 
I will be honest here I do not expect truth to win. We have been given three choices, one is guaranteed boredom and sticking our fingers in our ears, one is potentially revolutionary and dangerous and the third will be seen as middling. SV has a bias towards mid risk actions when given so I expect faith to run away with this one no matter what I say.
 
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