Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
If that was the Grey Wizard's job, there either wouldn't be a Grey Order left, or an Empire left.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Washington
I mean, even in the longest case, why the hell should the elves have to accept human standards for how long it takes for something to count as abandoned?
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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Dietershafen, known for its logging industry and for being the main anchorage of the imperial fleet. Eurgh. Yeurgh. Bleurgh.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Laurelorn can't attack the rest of Nordland. Apart from not having anything they want, that'd start a war with the Empire. A war the Eonir desperately do not want.
If you're implying that the EC of Nordland should be assassinated, I'm pretty sure that's very illegal. At worst, they're being an idiot, but they're not breaking the law, let alone the kind of law that would require Grey wizard based assassination.
Unknown, but it should be noted that the Elves allowed the humans to settle where they did. They just restricted their numbers, and it's that portion of the treaty they broke. The Eonir never gave up the land, they simply allowed humans to settle it under conditions that were then broken.
The Imperial Fleet currently only exists in Riekland. The Second Fleet, based out of Nordland doesn't exist yet (and might not ever).
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- USA
Considering the Grey Order removed the previous Empress, it might well be their job, just not something they really advertise. However, I'll concede that that was a very particular circumstance.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I mean, the Eonir aren't the Asrai when it comes to trees, they were chiefly concerned about their Waystone-trees, not ones you'd cut for timber.
If Gausser was a chaos cultist or something, then it absolutely would be their job.
Up to that point, no.
Like, when Theoderic Gausser* was preparing to make war on Hochland for his territorial claims in 2516, Karl Franz didn't put a hit out on him like it's the mob.
He had Balthazar Gelt turn his treasury into lead. Much more measured response.
*Some of you might be sensing a pattern here, but I swear that's just the only inter-province conflict that I know was solved with wizards, they aren't all because of Nordland
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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- In shambles
It does, we know that because of the Chancellor getting them to clash against Norscans.
I don't know, I guess I'm just not comfortable with the idea that Nordland deserves what the Eonir did to their people.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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You know, it really was ballsy of The Hochlander, to make up an entire province for his backstory like that.but how can we do that when hochland doesn't exist
The modern, super well armed second fleet doesn't exist no.
but Nordland has always been the unofficial 'second fleet' after mareanbarg left with the one Magus commissioned.
I think this is a key problem with how the thread thinks sometimes. (Or people generally)
people want there to be a good and bad guy, for someone to deserve the bad end of the stick.
And they generally want it to be the guy on the other side of the politics table.
but the truth is, few people deserves the short end of politics.
the whole thing is a shit show, blaming one group for the mess is about your confort, not the truth.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Uh, when? What Chancellor? The only Imperial Chancellor Mathilde's met is Anton, AFAIK.
It would make sense to me that Nordland and all of the provinces with coast maintain their own navies, but that's not the same thing as having an Imperial Navy based somewhere.
Also, Magnus didn't commission a fleet, he just named the already extant fleet an Imperial Fleet (and made Reikland's fleet the First Fleet so as to appease the Cult of Sigmar).
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
The Chamberlain of the Seal.
Luitpold's Chancellor.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Huh, interesting. Odd change from canon, but interesting.
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- USA
Mathilde also met Chancellor Friedrich von Schlafebild to hear his pitch on the Swamp Town offer.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Oh, I'm all for this. This is great, and definitely helps us with a variety of usecases. Big bad? Gets a distraction to run away or stay and fight. Us near death? Last second hail Shalya.
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- Australia
Isn't true, permanent transmutation what the Gold Order's got as their biggest ambition? Seems like they already solved it there.
About eight hundred years ago, Laurelorn and Nordland signed a treaty allowing limited human settlement between the Salz and Demst, with each individual one needing Eonir approval and strict population limits. Each human generation nudged those limits a little bit more. The closest thing to an outright breach was the establishment of Schlaghugel on the far side of the Demst, but even that was gradual - it started as a regular pilgrimage to a stone circle thought to be sacred to Rhya, and that turned into a small shrine which turned into a larger shrine with an attendant which turned into a temple which turned into an entire village. That's a big part of what makes the situation so tricky, no one person has broken the treaty so egregiously as to make a military response seem reasonable, but the cumulative effect of all of those tiny breaches is a massive encroachment onto the lands of the Eonir.
Permanently transmuting something extremely valuable into something extremely not isn't what they're going for.
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Late to the party, but fantastic update. I hadn't really thought about how things would look to Egrimm; from our perspective we're doing him a favor, but if we don't make him feel valued, and his time worth being spent, we're likely to feel no better to him than his old master.
I told you all that the underdressed forest was probably a lying liar who lies....
(For a good cause.)
I was about to say, yeah - it's certainly a problem with a known solution, it's just a matter of the feasibility. If this venture comes to fruition then I suppose it might be an idea which could be sold.
Not just that, but rather he has a problem in that he feels like he has no agency, and Mira basically just whisked him away to parts unknown.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
@Boney Had some lore questions, also slightly surprised about the name-change, the search function didn't work when I typed 'BoneyM' by habit lol.
Anyways,
Some humans might not rest easily, due to lack of proper death rites since the Morrite priest resorted to doing a wide-scale prayer?
The Eonir has no Morai-Heg priests at all to perform death rites, so they instead rely on tracking/retrieving people with wayshards?
Is that interpretation correct?
Also, can Boris give orders to her as the High Wizard of Middenheim, or is it more of an equal partnership dynamic?
Anyways,
If the Stormwitch was in favor of peaceful relations with the Empire, why would the previous vote be more lopsided against it (16:9 when she was Triumvir)?
I'm a bit unclear what this passage meant.
Some humans might not rest easily, due to lack of proper death rites since the Morrite priest resorted to doing a wide-scale prayer?
The Eonir has no Morai-Heg priests at all to perform death rites, so they instead rely on tracking/retrieving people with wayshards?
Is that interpretation correct?
Can we assume Kadoh was referring to Lady Magister Stanislawa fighting at the battle, since she's the only representative of the Gold Order in Middenland we've seen?
Also, can Boris give orders to her as the High Wizard of Middenheim, or is it more of an equal partnership dynamic?
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
There are four Wardens, of whom at any given time one is a Triumvir and the remaining three are on the Council. The Stormwitch was at the time the only pro-contact Warden, so when she was Triumvir there were three anti-contact Wardens on the Council, whereas when she wasn't (and therefore was on the Council instead) it was a 2-1 split.
The Wardens who's a Triumvir doesn't get a vote on the High Council that year.
"The dead beastmen might get up at some point, as bodies do when not properly cared for."
"Just beastman bodies? (because there were three factions fighting here)"
"I suppose there's also human bodies. Not all of their bodies could be found because it's a swamp, so the Morr priests said a prayer over the area. But we didn't have to leave behind Eonir bodies because the wayshards let us find them even under the muck."
That seems like a reasonable assumption.
"8. The Colleges must respond favourably to any reasonable request for specific service from any Elector of Sigmar's Holy Empire."
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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Johann has a habit of looking doubtful when Mathilde suggests something and it turning out better than he thought. It's nice to see that even when he's doubtful of her decision making (Him? Getting along with an Elf? That can't be right) he still doesn't question her. I find it very hard to believe we could get associates who trust us as much as Johann, Max and the Ducklings without putting a lot of effort in (Panoramia is included too, but she's more than just an associate).
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Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Thanks for the answer @Boney. I also had one niggling question regarding Elven magical traditions after reading the update:
You mentioned before that Elves have their own Mono-Wind traditions like the Mist Mages, Shadow Warriors, etc.
How do those Elves avoid "over-specializing" or gaining Arcane Marks like the Magic Colleges do, in that case? Asarnil believed humans were incapable of moderating themselves, but wouldn't that also apply to Elven mono-wind mages?
You mentioned before that Elves have their own Mono-Wind traditions like the Mist Mages, Shadow Warriors, etc.
How do those Elves avoid "over-specializing" or gaining Arcane Marks like the Magic Colleges do, in that case? Asarnil believed humans were incapable of moderating themselves, but wouldn't that also apply to Elven mono-wind mages?