Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I do have to mention that whenever I'm reading official Warhammer Fantasy material I think to myself "that can't be right, that's not how it works in Divided Loyalties!".
DL has infected my brain. Any version of WHF official material I have to scrutinise until I realise that DL isn't actually canon material.
DL has infected my brain. Any version of WHF official material I have to scrutinise until I realise that DL isn't actually canon material.
Most of the material that mentions him was published just a few years after Aladdin came out, so I think it's safe to say it was deliberate.
It is.
Mopman43
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14 Dukedoms, if we're being accurate.
Unless you're not counting Moussilon, in which case, fair.
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"Oh yes? ...I didn't think you were into that, Dame Weber."
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I mean... Who better to take the place over.
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Moussilon is more of a lack-of-Duke--dom isn't it?
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So, apparently there are 4 ruling vicarii. One of whom gets to be part of the Triumvirate as a prefect. The rest sit on the High Council.
So High Council is 3-4 vicarii from the border wards and the Major Houses from the Ward of the Sun. All of which are Toriour, so yey for classism?
Also, there's a Senate, so Mat is in for some politics.
As for the Major Houses... well, some of this is guesswork and extrapolation, but bearing that in mind:
While there are no maps of Tor Lithanel I've been able to find, there is a fairly nice drawing of it. And while we know GW isn't a fan of things like accuracy, or scale, some extrapolation can be done from stuff like the image, the three towers and the line saying that the Silver Tower is in the middle of the capital. So from what I'm seeing, there's 4-5 Major Houses in in the Capital itself, and several Major Locations outside the capital, but still within the Ward of the Sun.
So High Council is something like 3 rulling vicarii (since 1 is prefect in Triumvirate),
5 Major Houses of Tor Lithanel,
2 Major Houses for Verdan Ithil and Verdan Lauroi,
at least one for Verdan Lithridom, but more likely 2, depending on how public the the Well is, since I doubt one house can handle the Well and all the pilgrims,
2 more for Ystin Vaul Menluith Qhaysh splitting the rituals between Vaul and the spirits.
That gets us up to 14, so if we throw in another 1-2 for the less famous/weaker Major Houses on the outskirts that gets us a reasonable supposition of around 16.
We can then cut that down, as some texts clearly show the ruling vicarii are from said Major Houses (at least some of the time, but in context, it's likely often, if not always) so the number gets cut down to an even 12.
TLDR: Depending on if the Rulers of the Four Wards of Laurelon are from the Major Houses or not, the High Council is between 12-16 members.
If you really want to slim it down, drop one each for Verdan Lithridom and Ystin Vaul Menluith Qhaysh and the outer Houses two, which would drop the minimum down to about 8-9.
5(Capital)+2+1+1=9 with a possible -1 for the Triumvirate taking one member.
Hope that helps.
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Has there ever been an explanation for why Bretonnia and the Empire cared about this? Particularly the Imperials who were kind of busy with their own thing at the time.
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Desperate attempt of unity or distraction from all the crap going on back home maybe?
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imo for Bretonnia this is just one more of a long series of examples of the knightly class needing pruning/an external enemy to fight hence triggering an errenty war. While for the empire the forces where explicitly the knightly orders and by inference where probably the members of this pseudo mercinary caste that disliked fighting what they saw as their countrymen all the time so took the first excuse possible to gtfo.
ShyPerson
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It's one of those things that keeps bothering me about the Crusades. The first real life one happened for many reasons, one of them being connections between the Christian powers in Europe. The Empire and Brettonia has no such connotation with either Estalia or Tilea, more so because there is no singular Tilea or Estalia, so neither should really have much care about what goes on down there.
The Crusades just feel like it's there for the sake of having them. They feel disconnected from the rest of the setting. All it really does functionally is provide the origin story for the Knights Panther and Blazing Sun, and that really does not feel like enough to justify its existence. The Empire already has enemies in its borders, so really the origins of a few military orders should not require a foreign event disconnected from the rest of the setting.
Presumably they were less than enthused at having a familiar and non-threatening neighbour, with whom they have long-standing cultural connections, a common pantheon, and profitable trading relationships, replaced with an expansionist magic-wielding foreign power.
Voikirium
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Well, the crusades first appear out of universe, I believe, when Bretonnia was still more Arthurian rather than Monty Python so they could simply actually be opposed to attempts to invade and conquer a neighbor, particularly by a sorcerer.
The Empire is sort of weird, though.
The Empire is sort of weird, though.
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Much like actual crusades then.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Ghazkull isn't a reference to anything tho.
It does lack a Duke, but it is, technically, still a Dukedom of Bretonnia. I imagine the lack of Duke makes it easier to exploit.
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Ghaskull Mag Uruk Thraka.
He's always been a satirical "take that" to Margret Thatcher.
Apparently it's Margaret Thatcher.
No. Seriously. Ghazkull Mag'Uruk Thraka.
40k is at its heart a parody.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Nah, that got debunked by Andy Chambers. And I believe him, mostly because the character was elevated to character status, not created for it.
suuureeee. Totally not a parody.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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If it's supposed to be a parody it fails utterly. There's just nothing that links the two beyond the name, which is a link that the creator of the character denies vehemently. At most it's done to mock Thatcher, but it's certainly not parody.
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Ghazkull can't be a parody of Thatcher.
After all, one of them was a vile, violent murderer who brought barbarism wherever they went, entirely on a superior plane of moral weakness.
The other, of course, was an ork.
After all, one of them was a vile, violent murderer who brought barbarism wherever they went, entirely on a superior plane of moral weakness.
The other, of course, was an ork.
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All said, I'm really happy to see that boney is going to give elf-politics a go.
also, small '30 or less' peerage legislative are historically amusing/tragic: because people can be on the same voting for one thing and oother sides for the other.
The amusing part is that it always seems that the less important the vote, the more petty and heated the arguments. (Possibly because isn't not that important.)
it would be fun to come up with some of the temp alliances.
infrastructure bill 2440 saw the first direct fight in years between The grand order of public gardens beautification alliance vs The Royal Order of musical theatre refurbishment over funding, an argument that lasted 10 days, only ending after the singer songwriter Sliv Whiteleaf came forward with the note sheets for her newest opera, tilting the vote so as everyone could watch her preform in the best conditions.
The 2440 Infrastructure bill also saw the continuing argument from last year between The Circle of Dragon culture admires and The league of the Great EaglesPatrons over whether the crown should commission the fixing of The Dragon Tower over the more practical expending of the nesting zones. While Prince Aesryn was brought in to give a heart tugging speech, once again the repair of the Dragon Tower was not seen as practical at this point in time.
also, small '30 or less' peerage legislative are historically amusing/tragic: because people can be on the same voting for one thing and oother sides for the other.
The amusing part is that it always seems that the less important the vote, the more petty and heated the arguments. (Possibly because isn't not that important.)
it would be fun to come up with some of the temp alliances.
infrastructure bill 2440 saw the first direct fight in years between The grand order of public gardens beautification alliance vs The Royal Order of musical theatre refurbishment over funding, an argument that lasted 10 days, only ending after the singer songwriter Sliv Whiteleaf came forward with the note sheets for her newest opera, tilting the vote so as everyone could watch her preform in the best conditions.
The 2440 Infrastructure bill also saw the continuing argument from last year between The Circle of Dragon culture admires and The league of the Great EaglesPatrons over whether the crown should commission the fixing of The Dragon Tower over the more practical expending of the nesting zones. While Prince Aesryn was brought in to give a heart tugging speech, once again the repair of the Dragon Tower was not seen as practical at this point in time.
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During my reread of the Stirland Arc (which I've thankfully finished, quite well written but depressing), I've come across two characters that I've added to the College Rolodex. Magister Victor who Mathilde gave the Doomfire Ring to and who gifted her the Torc of Fire, and the elderly gentleman who served as Gatekeeper is placed under Apprentice for lack of knowledge of his station. I assumed he's a perpetual.
Was very tempted to note that he likes tea, but I have to remind myself that just because a character drinks tea in the only scene they appear in doesn't mean they're defined as a tea drinker.
Was very tempted to note that he likes tea, but I have to remind myself that just because a character drinks tea in the only scene they appear in doesn't mean they're defined as a tea drinker.