NSMS
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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or if they are even willing to teach it to us.
and that's going to be big no most likely.
I won't say I have no interest, some of the lore of the hedge is pretty interesting such as hedgewalk, myrkride, the Ousting and Wyrd Ward are all really interesting spells.
I just think it would be very hard to convince them, and require even more divided loyalties in oaths to learn.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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@Codex thanks for the awesome post! I did have a few typo catches and nit-picks if you want them, but feel free to disregard if you'd sooner not be bothered. Spoilering to avoid soaking up page space.
Thanks again for the really cool informational post! This is exactly the kind of nerdery I think is awesome, so it's fantastic that you put the time and effort in to assemble this for all of us.
*Hellcannon
*Druchii. For clarity's sake, I would also reword to something like "Known for fomenting civil unrest in the Druchii city of Clar Karond from within the city's slave pits, resulting in house feuds that still blow up from time to time."
Tense agreement. Should be *confirming.
Tense agreement. Should be *who he had personally assassinated, or actually it might be even better to just have *who he personally assassinated.
*Grungni's
Johann actually has a Magic of 7, which is objectively very good - it puts him right at the bottom of the range for Lord Magisters and Battle Wizards, and above where most Magisters ever reach in their careers. His magic is inflexible, not stunted. It would be more accurate to say that he has some kind of conceptual/paradigm block shutting him off from mystical Chamon, and compensates for it with a very strong affinity for elemental Chamon.
I think it would be more appropriate for the setting to say *areligious rather than agnostic. It isn't that she doesn't believe in the gods (a risky proposition in WHF), she just doesn't particularly worship any of them.
I love your use of "Esteemed Ducklings," but why doesn't Hubert get to be Esteemed too?
If Teclic is technically the first SP, that means he's officially the first SP. So it might be more accurate to say something like, "Volans: Effective first and official second Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges".
*Philosopher's Stone.
Codex
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I'm going to check this again tomorrow morning as I'm going to sleep soon, but I'll address a few things. First, I'm channelling Mathilde's inner bias, where she subconciously places Hubert below the other Ducklings because he's a Celestial. Second, I'm using Agnostic for Seija because that's the word Boney uses in the Dramatis Personae for her, and it seems to fit? Atheist would be someone who doesn't believe in the gods, which is illogical in Warhammer. Agnostic would be someone who knows they exist but doesn't worship them.
As for Johann, I don't view the term stunted magic the same way? Hubert has stunted magic, but he has Magic 5 and is very strong in his niche. But his magic is still stunted. Inflexible would be a more accurate way to describe Johann's magic I suppose, but I think it should be noted that Johann can be very magically powerful while also having stunted magic. The lack of ability to dispel/counterspell is genuinely bad for a Wizard in confrontations with other spellcasters. He's just been lucky that he's always had plenty of other wizards ready to counterspell in any engagement he's involved in.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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I got a spell idea, based on the Trait Polygot can Mathilde create a translation spell allowing others to share casters knowledge of languages caster knows allowing different groups to negotiate without translators in the way. Spell would translate instead.
It would be usefull to diplomancy focused collage I imagine.
It would be usefull to diplomancy focused collage I imagine.
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Of course, a unified theory of magic might be literally impossible because the warp is inherently not ruled by completely internally consistent logic, or because Tzeentch keeps screwing with it.
glyph
completely and utterly fine
Alright, let's drop the whole "waystones" project and instead focus on foundational magic research to build a Standard Model of Magic.
Step 1: Have the dwarves excavate a big circular tunnel under K8P
Step 2: Smash winds together at high speeds to see what happens
We can figure the remaining steps out when we get there.
Step 1: Have the dwarves excavate a big circular tunnel under K8P
Step 2: Smash winds together at high speeds to see what happens
We can figure the remaining steps out when we get there.
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It would certainly be useful, but how does that effect originate from the Grey wind?
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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You could maybe argue you're blurring language boundaries? I'm unsure anything outside of High Magic would be well-suited to a translation spell for people really.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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I disagree with this interpretation of Mathilde's current relationship with Hubert, but thank you for explaining.
That's not what an agnostic is. It might be the word Boney uses, but the definition you're citing for "agnostic" is actually much more the definition for "areligious":
Whereas the definition for "agnostic" is:Merriam-Webster definition of areligious said:
In other words, "atheist" is someone who disbelieves in the gods' existence, "agnostic" is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the gods' existence (i.e., they are explicitly not someone who knows that the gods exist; they are someone who does not believe they know whether or not they exist), and "areligious" is someone who is simply noncommittal or neutral vis-à-vis religion. It's not actually impossible for someone to actually be atheist or agnostic in Warhammer, but it would be much more unusual than just being areligious. And at least AFAIK what we know of Seija points more at her just being areligious.Merriam-Webster definition of agnostic said:
I do still disagree with you on the implications of "stunted," but as I said originally these were really just nit-picks. My (slightly) larger issue with the wording/phrasing you used isn't necessarily with stunted vs. inflexible per se so much as that the presentation makes it seem like Johann has limited/inflexible/whatever magic and that's why he can't grasp mystical Chamon. But AFAICT the arrow of causality points the other way; Johann can't grasp mystical Chamon, and that's why his magic is stunted/inflexible/whatever.
Still a pretty nit-picky objection though, to be fair.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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That would be a great Necromancer/Dhar user Mathilde project tbh - the Polysevirric Accelerator.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Yeah, I was going to say: If anything, the Teclisian theory sounds a lot like Newtonian mechanics, If you mixed that "Still kinda holds up in a lot of cases" with other theories of its era to create an attempt at a unified scientific theory.
It's very solid in what it does describe, but as the Empire develops further down its own path, it's become increasingly obvious to everyone that what Teclis describes is limited, much as how the aberrations in the motion of the planets, the lack of the Lumiferous Aether, or the existence of the Photoelectric Effect stood at odds with the best science of the 18th and 19th centuries.
Eventually, should it live long enough, the Empire's magical research will have it's own Quantum Physics and Relativity eras, but at this point the process of figuring those things out has only barely begun.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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I am reminded of that one meme about having lots of different theories and standard models, and trying to make a unified one. Where was it again...
neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
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Is there even a single elven theory? For all we know, the elves of Eataine, Cothique, etc. themselves have a different magical theory than the Teclisian model.
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I'm pretty sure Light alone could do it. Bright could definitely make a spell of "communicate my feelings without language", but that would be pure emotion and while it would probably help cross cultural barriers in all sorts of ways it wouldn't solve the language issue itself. Amber might be able to create an effect that removes both subject's ability to communicate complex ideas but allows them to communicate simple or animalistic things more easily. Gold I could maybe see having a ritual which lets two willing participants develop a new language together from first principles.
Core of Light with a bit of Bright and Amber to smooth over idioms and cultural differences seems like the most plausible High magic path. I suppose Grey could try creating a knock off of the Amber version I outlined, something which blurs complex communications into a vague sense of intent and just allows that vague communication to cross language barriers as a "side effect", but that's very dicey and even if it was possible I don't think polyglot would be the right trait to develop it.
in this case its the Saphery model.
Teclisian model is the one Teclis made for humans.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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You could probably use Light to create a spell that allows someone to learn a language very fast or to just suddenly know another language, but I don't think you could create a spell that actually translates a language.
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For Universal Translation of speech I'd lean towards Azyr.
It has the same "revealing hidden information" ability as Hysh, but it reveals things to everyone. It's associated with human creativity, of which language is an example. It's associated with the air, which is where the words that need translating are.
It has the same "revealing hidden information" ability as Hysh, but it reveals things to everyone. It's associated with human creativity, of which language is an example. It's associated with the air, which is where the words that need translating are.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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Idea is the caster knows the language he wants to translate and merely sharing it with roomfull of others so they can talk to each other. I think it is plausable.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
Close, but not quite. Atheism is the disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god(s) - this is sometimes separated into "strong" atheism, the affirmative belief that gods do not exist, and "weak" atheism, which is simply lack of an affirmative belief that any do. Agnosticism is the disbelief or lack of belief in the provability of the existence of god(s), a related but distinct issue.
Agnosticism is sometimes confused with the weak atheist position, but while weak atheism certainly follows from agnosticism if you stick to pure logic, they are not actually the same thing. People aren't always logical - it is entirely possible to affirmatively believe that a god or gods exist while simultaneously believing that your belief in gods cannot be proven (that is, to be an agnostic without being any kind of atheist).