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I don't know a single lick of Total War, but I feel like the Rite of Way is a spell who's main benefits exist on the logistical/operational scale of things.

It will occasionally have its place within a fight, but its true strength lies in its ability to reach battles you otherwise couldn't, or avoid them entirely, and to set up the battlefield to begin with.

So I'd assume it would probably manifest in influencing movement-speed/logistical-restrictions on the world map scale and possibly also allowing more freedom in the setup phases, assuming those are things in Total War.

Well, first of all the only spells that are available are battle spells, and are only able to be cast during battles. There's no other situation to cast spells, well besides actual rites/rituals. I suppose using your logic it would either be an ability for an embedded Grey Wizard in an army, but probably be best implemented as a follower which would grant additional campaign movement range and attrition damage reduction.
 
Well, first of all the only spells that are available are battle spells, and are only able to be cast during battles. There's no other situation to cast spells, well besides actual rites/rituals. I suppose using your logic it would either be an ability for an embedded Grey Wizard in an army, but probably be best implemented as a follower which would grant additional campaign movement range and attrition damage reduction.
That, or some sort of hyper version of Route Marcher. Since Mathilde would probably be a Legendary Lord anyways.
 
That, or some sort of hyper version of Route Marcher. Since Mathilde would probably be a Legendary Lord anyways.

That would work, or as unique trait that could be grabbed for her.

This is actually making me think of a Wizard Lord to lead armies, similar to the High Elves Archmages. Though that's probably beginning to diverge from the topic.
 
Both, but the Dwarven ones refer to it as circuitously and euphemistically as a Victorian-era etiquette handbook does to sex, and the human ones are full of wild guesses and contradictions.
Okay, but what do the Dwarf books say about it? Does it ultimately just boil down the blurb that can be found about it in the wiki or do the Dwarves seem to have a more interesting explanation or justification than "it just be that way some times"?
I mean I assume it's specifically gold, right? And not just some tendency to pathological greed?
 
Okay, but what do the Dwarf books say about it? Does it ultimately just boil down the blurb that can be found about it in the wiki or do the Dwarves seem to have a more interesting explanation or justification than "it just be that way some times"?
I mean I assume it's specifically gold, right? And not just some tendency to pathological greed?

They don't outright say anything at all about it. They imply plenty, but exactly what is being implied is very open to interpretation and doesn't shed more light on the matter than you already have. And considering that in the grim darkness of the far future that is TYOOL 2021 we still don't have a solid grasp on what causes many forms of mental illness, it stands to reason that even if the Dwarves think they have a handle on its exact mechanism, they're probably completely wrong.
 
Okay, but what do the Dwarf books say about it? Does it ultimately just boil down the blurb that can be found about it in the wiki or do the Dwarves seem to have a more interesting explanation or justification than "it just be that way some times"?
I mean I assume it's specifically gold, right? And not just some tendency to pathological greed?
Realms of Sorcery, page 89
Chamon, Yellow magic, is attracted to metals in both ore and refined forms. The heavier the element or metal, in its natural state or otherwise, the more Chamon is drawn to it.

It has been suggested this attraction accounts for the almost magical effect gold has on even the most intelligent races, inspiring greed, violence, and sometimes war. Of all people and races, the Dwarfs seem most affected by gold, and some Magisters of the Golden Order have wondered whether the Dwarfs have some unknown affinity with Chamon. Dwarfs do, after all, pursue many of the same goals and interests as the Magisters of the Golden Order. The issue remains unsolved and perhaps always will.
Ultimately just speculation unless you factor in End Times. Posting it here because I'm guessing you'd be interested in it.
 
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Well, first of all the only spells that are available are battle spells, and are only able to be cast during battles. There's no other situation to cast spells, well besides actual rites/rituals. I suppose using your logic it would either be an ability for an embedded Grey Wizard in an army, but probably be best implemented as a follower which would grant additional campaign movement range and attrition damage reduction.
I am not sure how you would classify the race specific rituals or things like Devastation of Cities that Lord Kroak has that manifests itself as an enemy action then :V. But yeah i suppose Mathilde would be a LL with better Forced March with the possibility to lose HP every turn its turned on.
 
Realms of Sorcery, page 89
Ultimately just speculation unless you factor in End Times. Posting it here because I'm guessing you'd be interested in it.
To those curious, in End Times Teclis performs a ritual that binds the Winds to specific mortal "heroes" turning them into Incarnates of the Winds, granting them immense power. Some of these make sense, some are more... questioniable

Everqueen Alarielle as the Incarnate of Ghyran. Nagash as the Incarnate of Shyish. Tyrion as the Incarnate of Hysh. Sigmar (reborn in Karl Franz's body) as the Incarnate of Azyr. Grimgor Ironhide as the Incarnate of Ghur. Ungrim Ironfist as the Incarnate of Aqshy. Thorgrim Grudgbearer as the Incarnate of Chamon. Malekith as the Incarnate of Ulgu.

To add insult to injury, the only Incarnate swaps occurs when the two Dwarfs die, because of course. Gelt becomes Incarnate of Chamon and Caradryan becomes Incarnate of Aqshy.

Needless to say, Endtimes isn't canon to the quest and this particular plotline might never come up, but I personally think the concept of binding the Winds to mortals to be interesting, I just think the execution is baffling here. Like, how the hell do Dwarfs become Incarnates? They would turn to stone if exposed to the Winds in sufficient quantities to do that.
 
Like, how the hell do Dwarfs become Incarnates? They would turn to stone if exposed to the Winds in sufficient quantities to do that.
The only time we see dwarves turning to stone in canon is in the specific case of Chaos Dwarves practising magic; it occurs in no other circumstance. The winds themselves turning dwarves to stone by simple contact is a Divided Loyalties thing.
 
The only time we see dwarves turning to stone in canon is in the specific case of Chaos Dwarves practising magic; it occurs in no other circumstance. The winds themselves turning dwarves to stone by simple contact is a Divided Loyalties thing.
The explanation given for why they turn to stone in the Old World Bestiary is that "Dwarfs were never meant to wield the Magic of Chaos and the price they pay is the Curse of Stone". Yes they specify Chaos here, but all magic comes from the realms of Chaos. Dwarfs can't cast magic, but if they did, the logical conclusion to come to is that they will turn to stone, just like the Chaos Dwarfs do.
 
The explanation given for why they turn to stone in the Old World Bestiary is that "Dwarfs were never meant to wield the Magic of Chaos and the price they pay is the Curse of Stone". Yes they specify Chaos here, but all magic comes from the realms of Chaos. Dwarfs can't cast magic, but if they did, the logical conclusion to come to is that they will turn to stone, just like the Chaos Dwarfs do.
Even with that inferring, the only thing you're getting is that dwarfs turn to stone when they do the specific act of doing magic, not simply being in contact with large quantities of the winds of magic, as any dwarf atop an arcane fulcrum or similar case would've been exposed to in canon. In Divided Loyalties we can assume the only dwarfs who go up on arcane fulcrums are the ultra-resistant runesmiths, and that any other dwarf up on them or otherwise exposed to high quantities of winds would've petrified, but Divided Loyalties is another story.
 
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The only time we see dwarves turning to stone in canon is in the specific case of Chaos Dwarves practising magic; it occurs in no other circumstance. The winds themselves turning dwarves to stone by simple contact is a Divided Loyalties thing.

The other time we saw dwarves turn to stone in canon sources was when the Runelords tried to active their golems after the deep magic that powered them sunk to far beneath the surface for them to reach during the War of the Beard.
 
They don't outright say anything at all about it. They imply plenty, but exactly what is being implied is very open to interpretation and doesn't shed more light on the matter than you already have. And considering that in the grim darkness of the far future that is TYOOL 2021 we still don't have a solid grasp on what causes many forms of mental illness, it stands to reason that even if the Dwarves think they have a handle on its exact mechanism, they're probably completely wrong.
Realms of Sorcery, page 89
Ultimately just speculation unless you factor in End Times. Posting it here because I'm guessing you'd be interested in it.
Thanks!

Also, the latter post sent me down a rabbit hole because I wanted to speculate how Dwarves (and Chamon users) react to metals that are even denser than gold. Turns out that all of those are also rarer than gold. So rare in fact that if their discovery were to happen parallel to how ot happened IRL, then the Empire wouldn't know about them yet and might have to wait for Swamptown to find something strange in Lizardman gold alloys.

That said, Dwarves both do much more mining quantitatively speaking and also pay much more attention to detail, so they might know some of these metals anyway.
 
Thanks!

Also, the latter post sent me down a rabbit hole because I wanted to speculate how Dwarves (and Chamon users) react to metals that are even denser than gold. Turns out that all of those are also rarer than gold. So rare in fact that if their discovery were to happen parallel to how ot happened IRL, then the Empire wouldn't know about them yet and might have to wait for Swamptown to find something strange in Lizardman gold alloys.

That said, Dwarves both do much more mining quantitatively speaking and also pay much more attention to detail, so they might know some of these metals anyway.

According to Realms of Sorcery, one of the inner secrets of the Gold College is basically the periodic table of Elements. By the time of canon, they've identified ninety non-magical elements and a further sixteen that are partially magical. If the order of discovery mirrors real life, that suggests they're getting up to around Actinium (about the turn of the 20th century), and are probably irradiating themselves.
 
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Thanks!

Also, the latter post sent me down a rabbit hole because I wanted to speculate how Dwarves (and Chamon users) react to metals that are even denser than gold. Turns out that all of those are also rarer than gold. So rare in fact that if their discovery were to happen parallel to how ot happened IRL, then the Empire wouldn't know about them yet and might have to wait for Swamptown to find something strange in Lizardman gold alloys.

That said, Dwarves both do much more mining quantitatively speaking and also pay much more attention to detail, so they might know some of these metals anyway.
Actually Gold Order already discovered Periodic Table and 90+elements, which means that they probably know about iridium (77) and osmium (76).

RoS page 91:
Over the last two centuries, the great Magister Alchemists of the Golden Order have deduced all physical existence is made up of far more elements than the four of folklore and traditional science. Senior Gold Magisters have discovered and recorded what they refer to as the "True Elements" of existence: the simplest substances that all matter and gas can be broken down into. Through their obsessive analysis and magical experiments, the Golden Order's Magister Alchemists have identified about ninety naturally occurring elements. They have also created a further sixteen compounds that are mixtures of True Elements and various Aethyric elements they have either released from within the elements or have bound to them (though gromril, ithilmar, and True Transmutation are still out of their reach).
 
According to Realms of Sorcery, one of the inner secrets of the Gold College is basically the periodic table of Elements. By the time of canon, they've identified ninety non-magical elements and a further sixteen that are partially magical. If the order of discover mirrors real life, that suggests they're getting up to around Actinium (about the turn of the 20th century), and are probably irradiating themselves.
"Obviously, only Lord Magisters of the highest rank and experience are aware of these magnificent alchemical discoveries. Most initiates to the Order, not to mention the majority of its Magister Alchemists, still entertain various superstitious notions as to the elements of existence and the possibilities of science. Only the very greatest of these students of Magic and Alchemy will ever learn otherwise." Page 91 Realms of Sorcery 2E.

Basically, this stuff is apparently restricted secrets rather than common knowledge even in the Gold Order.
 
During the results of Turn 21 (part 1) Mathilde flipped through her books and found something called a "periodic table" in a Gold Order book. She then complained that it had way too many elements, which made it harder to formulate an elegant theory.
 
Hmm. To try to bridge the gap between "secret even to Gold Magisters" and "Mathilde found it in a book", perhaps the existence of "natural" elements isn't classified, but the interaction between "natural" and "aethyric" elements *is*?

This would particularly be the case if those 16 compounds that the blurb describes are dangerous in some way, which has precedence both in history (all sorts of unstable, poisonous, or corrosive compounds) and in Warhammer (imagine if the Gold College found a way to make warpstone, for example).
 
During the results of Turn 21 (part 1) Mathilde flipped through her books and found something called a "periodic table" in a Gold Order book. She then complained that it had way too many elements, which made it harder to formulate an elegant theory.
one thing (among many) that I like about what Boney has done with the quest is that just because Mathy is smart and 'liberal' (in the old sense, not the modern one) and the main character, that doesn't mean that she is free of the many preconceptions and views that would be expected of her 'time' and environment.

the first time she sees the periodic table?

Not: 'that's obviously a better, if not perfect, model, I shall adopt it instantly and look down on anyone that wouldn't for obviously being fools.'

Instead: Silly golds, why must you always overcomplicate things?
 
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Hmm. To try to bridge the gap between "secret even to Gold Magisters" and "Mathilde found it in a book", perhaps the existence of "natural" elements isn't classified, but the interaction between "natural" and "aethyric" elements *is*?

This would particularly be the case if those 16 compounds that the blurb describes are dangerous in some way, which has precedence both in history (all sorts of unstable, poisonous, or corrosive compounds) and in Warhammer (imagine if the Gold College found a way to make warpstone, for example).

I just assumed it being a secret was out of date. Sure, that was true soon after the Gold College was founded, but near 2 centuries later it's spread around and no longer a secret.
 
Or Boney just wasn't aware of that element of canon or disagreed with it.

It's not like their Periodic table has to be our one, while magic=radioactivity was a common theme at the time of writing, that doesn't mean a table with of magical and unmagical elements is automatically equal to the IRL one.
 
The version Mathilde saw is almost certainly not the most complete version the Golds have. There's also no guarantee that they got it right. The earliest periodic tables had light and heat on them, after all.
 
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