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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Users' Choice!
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- Texas
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- She/Her
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[X] You have not spent enough time with your family. The new help should be settled in, so spend some time with your mother and sister. In the wake of your growing insights, you need to think about what family truly means.
- Location
- United States of America
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
- Location
- At the end of the world
I doubt it, our mechanical effects had changed because we have new system. It's not something that happens often. But even then core logic of our Domain stays the same. If you want to focus on narrative it's your choice, but just appreciating a pretty picture and knowing its meaning is complementary things, you know.
Are you actually read what i wrote or just jumped across to make your post?
1.Our base domain bonus to Sp. Armor is lost, like a bonus to Resolve and Composure, instead our AM Insight has full Social Perception bonus instead of just against lies and illusions.
2.We can expect our Domain to grow stronger, yes, but i doubt it would be this straightforward, you even said it yourself. Now i don't think that next time our Domain will change as dramatically as this turn.
No, i think it would look more like ranking up one of our Arts. While ranking up Art can get new Techs (Insights), while its old Techs can become stronger and receive new features. But even after changes it would be still the same Art. Now i know that our Domain can change and be changed, but i equally don't expect nor any dramatical differences, nor a pure mechanical ranking.
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We got a significant powerboost from our domain ranking up. It change everything.
1) I don't see why our base domain would be nerfed by going up a rank. This goes against the entire settint. Our AM insight got buffed by us going up a rank is a vastly more logical explanation.
I tought our domain gave something to sp. Avoid but I was probably wrong on that.
2) Our domain getting stronger should significantly modify our domain, part of which are the insight effects. For me, it getting stronger means that the insight effect get stronger too and thus change.
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- At the end of the world
I don't see why too, but the fact is - we now didn't have bonus to Sp.Armor.
No. Before our AM Insight gave us Soc. Perception bonus, but only against lies and illusions, now it gives us full Soc. Perception bonus. It definitely got buffed, but not too much, so i don't think our base Domain bonuses used to strengthen it, they are still lost.
You contradicting yourself, one second you say that ranking our Domain up change everything and that is why we should focus on narrative and next second you describe what pure mechanical changes you expect from our next Domain rank. Chose something one.
Yes. Previous rank Domain gave 'Allies with whom Ling Qi has at least four dots of positive relation' bonus to Sp. Armor, Resolve and Composure. But not Sp. Avoid.
Yes. What i am saying is that it isn't just change of numbers of our Insight bonuses.
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- United States of America
Very unlikely. Most cultivators are going to be already from Immortal Families and so they don't have the problem of "person's of interest" dying off before they can get back to them. Additionally, Cultivators have obligations to the mortals who fall under the cultivator's care, but that isn't to any single mortal but to the community of mortals, which can keep on chugging along for generations of Immortal Cultivators.
So, given the fact that most immortals could not care less about individual mortals and their obligations are to the group of mortals (or the community/institution) it is unlikely that there would be individual mortals they want to visit. And even should a cultivator hate the presence of mortals, the cultivator is bound by tradition, law, and custom to protect the mortals from the dangers of the world, which will tie the cultivator to the mortal world for as long as the mortals live.
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
The effects are probably something that we're not seeing at the moment. I kinda had that problem as well where I had no idea what the effect of our Domain and Insights are anymore due to the transition from mechanical to narrative (it wasn't like that at the beginning of this quest) so I had to take potshot guesses on what it means (and fail at guessing it). Though it is fair to say that since our Domain got upgraded, the effects that used to be there mechanically got upgraded as well, we're just not seeing it. If you want to know more about the effects of the Domain, may as well ask yrsillar or the ones who have been recommending the narrative focus in the first place.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Eh, it's a symptom of the usual problem that sort of makes us fall behind on social links. "Do X thing that's probably about to blow up, or do Y thing that looks honestly pretty stable"
Basically, it's a symptom of the format, hitting the lizard brain. Ultimately, self-actualization takes a back seat to "Don't lose something that's Yours". I'd have been happier personally if yrsillar just gave us the Zeqing event rather than making us choose to be honest.
Ling Qi isn't ignoring her mortal family, they just don't get much screen-time because they're not super relevant to the Main Plot at the moment.
We never had such bonuses. It just boosted the one of our allies.
Ehr, you used instead here :
Also our bonuses are not lost, as the spiritual armor buff to our allies got a significant buff.
Mechanical changes of how an insight work means that the mechanic part of an insight is unimportant to our choice is a logical viewpoint at least to me ?
Why vote on something that will inevitably change in a few months ?
the domain still says what it does:
These effects are based on the following insights
to be clear 4 rank positive relation means the SL link. one rank bonus to derived attributes like Spiritual Avoid means something like C -> B, half a rank increase would be C -> C15.
It is admittedly less clear what each insight contributes except for the AM one, which should be this
based on its past effect.
- Location
- At the end of the world
Well, i should have wrote 'Our Domain doesn't give bonus to Sp. Armor anymore'. I hope it will help you to understand my point.
Where? Quote plz.
'Sigh'
Ok, look - before our AM Insight gave us Soc. Perception bonus against lies and illusions, now it gives us full Soc. Perception bonus in space that LQ consider 'hers'. Do bonuses changes? Yes. Do they unrecognizable now? No, AM still gives us the same bonus to Soc. Perc., just more and with condition. Insights changes by developing into something more, not swapping onto something radically different, their core logic stays the same.
I tried to analise it on previous page if you are interested, but FVM is pretty straightforward in its 'supportive' nature, it says that it gives something to ones that we care about and it does. It should be easy to understand if our next Insights have 'supportive' nature.
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Here. Rank up on sp. Armor.
I would argue that it going from bonus to discover truth to a bonus on social perception is a strong change espeically when one of the main argument at the times was that the truth part would grow to be conceptual.
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- At the end of the world
Read correctly it is bonus to Armor, not Sp. Armor.
But you are not arguing that mechanically they are both bonuses to Soc. Perception? Ha, mechanical part changed less than narrative, it just proves my earlier point that focusing only on narrative part is useless. Both of them are important.
No, English rules are funny like that, it means Spiritual Armor.
As it does not have any distinct adjective, the 'Spiritual' adjective from before the comma can still apply to the 'Armor'.
It's a shortcut to avoid having to repeat words.
Furthermore, it does not specify 'Physical' on its own, and all instances of 'Spiritual and Physical (whatever)' have had both adjectives included. So, too, does every instance of 'Armor' include whether or not it is 'Physical', 'Spiritual' or 'Physical and Spiritual', unless it is being used as a Keyword rather than used to reference a derived stat.
E: as such, even without that fillip of the English Language, it can be concluded that 'Spiritual Armor' is the intended definition.
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Armor is not a thing in the system. It's physical or spiritual armor. Here it's spiritual from the previous qualifier.
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Both options in that vote were bonuses to social perceptions and combat perception.
It's now only to social (according to you, I think it give half a rank up to combat perception) under other criteras.
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- At the end of the world
Are you sure? Damn...
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Ok, so that means we do have bonus to Sp. Armor, assuming that bonuses to Resolve and Composure are now have no place because they meant different things before and that's why they got lost... Hm, it makes things easier.
So our base Domain bonus merged with bonus of FVM Insight. I see. Interesting.
Thanks.
In previous Thread AM gave us bonus to both types of Perception (no, it's not correct, because they were one thing), but previous thread was running on different system. Is that what you meant? Because at the beginning of this thread AM Insight gave us only Social type bonus.
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EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
I was actually talking more about the insight bonus rather than the Domain itself. Guess I wasn't clear about that one. Sorry about that.
We already saw the effects of slotting AM which is defence against Lies & Illusions. If I remember right, in the old derived attribute this contributed to social perception, giving +10. Now that Domain has been upgraded, we can expect more than that. People's complaints about Domain being mechanical was about the bonuses being too limited and small, it makes it look weak. So with the narrative transition, while effects are no longer as clear, we can assume that the effects are gonna be much more prominent, especially with the recent upgrade.
I'm just wondering on what FVM and FSS insights give us as a bonus if we were to think about it mechanical-wise.