Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Fantastic news but is it because of the comic or try and derail any more jokes about the dream date?
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Sooo... for the next turn Bear God no matter what, a new LFWT project and... what else?
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Some people want to do a Moon Turn (TM), some people want to finish up MoSS. I think it will oa4gely depends on which actions will be available to us, since synergy matters.
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There are strong arguments t finish up MoSS, doing the Dreaming Songstress tribulation, and doing the Hidden Moon action in tandem with paying respect.
MoSS: When we lose access to the Greater Argent Vent, if we don't miraculously find a site that applies to MoSS, we'll need multiple actions to finish single projects, which will inevitably lead us to ditch the art entirely.
Dreaming Songstress: It's a tribulation, so we're much better off doing it way ahead of the summit, in case the dice don't favor us and we get badly wounded.
Hidden Moon/ Paying respect: There are sneaking suspicions that paying respect might open a summit-based option in relation to the Sect's will during the summit, and I can't imagine doing an action featuring Xin and not cultivating "her" side of our art
In addition, we need to master FFS to breakthrough to Green 7, and that *might* mean committing to do FFS projects every turn until it's mastered. Gotta ask the math cabal about this.
MoSS: When we lose access to the Greater Argent Vent, if we don't miraculously find a site that applies to MoSS, we'll need multiple actions to finish single projects, which will inevitably lead us to ditch the art entirely.
Dreaming Songstress: It's a tribulation, so we're much better off doing it way ahead of the summit, in case the dice don't favor us and we get badly wounded.
Hidden Moon/ Paying respect: There are sneaking suspicions that paying respect might open a summit-based option in relation to the Sect's will during the summit, and I can't imagine doing an action featuring Xin and not cultivating "her" side of our art
In addition, we need to master FFS to breakthrough to Green 7, and that *might* mean committing to do FFS projects every turn until it's mastered. Gotta ask the math cabal about this.
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Yrs has confirmed that FFS will have probably have six projects. Maybe 4 if he can squeeze things together.
And then we have maybe 10 turns until we get to G6. I'm not fully sure. This seems like a math cabal thing.
And THEN some projects mat be locked behind G6, pike how previous LFWT were locked behind a higher stage. If not for the cultivation stage, then for continued engagement with our successor in G6.
So I'm not worried about completing FFS quickly. I think we can afford to spread things out. It works better narratively to spread out the projects anyway.
And after thinking about it, I'm not really 100% on combining Hidden Moon and Paying Respects. They talk about two different things, and it may rather cut down Xin time we have since we'll probably meet the ES' local Hidden Moon avatar if we do the project *later*. Not to mention that Jiao and Xin aren't the only people we'll talk to. We'll be saying goodbye to EVERYONE of note who we know in the sect.
Edit: Also, I think Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu 2 can work with the summit prep. You know, meditating about Tsu brought together a people during war, while we're trying to do something similar?
And then we have maybe 10 turns until we get to G6. I'm not fully sure. This seems like a math cabal thing.
And THEN some projects mat be locked behind G6, pike how previous LFWT were locked behind a higher stage. If not for the cultivation stage, then for continued engagement with our successor in G6.
So I'm not worried about completing FFS quickly. I think we can afford to spread things out. It works better narratively to spread out the projects anyway.
And after thinking about it, I'm not really 100% on combining Hidden Moon and Paying Respects. They talk about two different things, and it may rather cut down Xin time we have since we'll probably meet the ES' local Hidden Moon avatar if we do the project *later*. Not to mention that Jiao and Xin aren't the only people we'll talk to. We'll be saying goodbye to EVERYONE of note who we know in the sect.
Edit: Also, I think Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu 2 can work with the summit prep. You know, meditating about Tsu brought together a people during war, while we're trying to do something similar?
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Yrs said he was going to rework Projects a bit, so we'll have to wait before we can properly plan.
In any case, I'm adamant about Hidden Scribe+Paying Respects. We know that the Moon in general, both the Imperial and Polar versions, are involved in the Project. And the Imperial Moon has been acting behind the scenes to promote it, like when Meng Dan "casually" found info about the old ice people of the ES during Tsu's era.
And the theme of "The first question: How do I survive? The second: why?" really fits the exploration and reaffirmation of the driving motivation of Ling Qi.
Why are they working so much for the summit, when it's so risky and there is so much staked against them? When there are better and easier ways of gaining wealth, power and influence?
Why are we so keen on learning the "secrets" of the White Sky? That's a Moon moment alright.
It's not confirmed, but we may no need to complete FFS in order to fulfill the breakthrough requierement. Only advance it to a certain point.
So I think we should do 1 FFS Project a turn until we reach that threshold, to get the bonus cultivation XP, and then advance the other Projects. Reaching G6 2 months earlier is worth it. Remember that Dress-chan will awaken at that point.
Narratively, it would also be weird for Ling Qi to create her first true Successor Art and then immediately leave it aside instead of develope it.
The last slot I'm doubtful about. Bear God is a personal favourite, but I understand Bastion's appeal. Heck, I was one of those that wanted to do Bastion when we first started to explore the fief and build the settlement.
MoSS is fundamental to Ling Qi's Way, I agree with that. But the social trait is at G: 5.
Do we really need to do Spirit Seeker 5 times to master MoSS? That's not feasible in the current system with all the other arts's Projects available.
That's why Social Traits in general should be increased by use, not by Projects. If Ling Qi is using MoSS's methods to successfully form relationships with the spirits of the land, and pondering about it's lessons, why shouldn't her understanding (trait) grow?
That's the general idea I have about this new turn Projects.
In any case, I'm adamant about Hidden Scribe+Paying Respects. We know that the Moon in general, both the Imperial and Polar versions, are involved in the Project. And the Imperial Moon has been acting behind the scenes to promote it, like when Meng Dan "casually" found info about the old ice people of the ES during Tsu's era.
And the theme of "The first question: How do I survive? The second: why?" really fits the exploration and reaffirmation of the driving motivation of Ling Qi.
Why are they working so much for the summit, when it's so risky and there is so much staked against them? When there are better and easier ways of gaining wealth, power and influence?
Why are we so keen on learning the "secrets" of the White Sky? That's a Moon moment alright.
It's not confirmed, but we may no need to complete FFS in order to fulfill the breakthrough requierement. Only advance it to a certain point.
So I think we should do 1 FFS Project a turn until we reach that threshold, to get the bonus cultivation XP, and then advance the other Projects. Reaching G6 2 months earlier is worth it. Remember that Dress-chan will awaken at that point.
Narratively, it would also be weird for Ling Qi to create her first true Successor Art and then immediately leave it aside instead of develope it.
The last slot I'm doubtful about. Bear God is a personal favourite, but I understand Bastion's appeal. Heck, I was one of those that wanted to do Bastion when we first started to explore the fief and build the settlement.
MoSS is fundamental to Ling Qi's Way, I agree with that. But the social trait is at G: 5.
Do we really need to do Spirit Seeker 5 times to master MoSS? That's not feasible in the current system with all the other arts's Projects available.
That's why Social Traits in general should be increased by use, not by Projects. If Ling Qi is using MoSS's methods to successfully form relationships with the spirits of the land, and pondering about it's lessons, why shouldn't her understanding (trait) grow?
That's the general idea I have about this new turn Projects.
Spirit Seeker the trait needs to be separated from MoSS the Art, same as Sable Grace and Wind Thief are separate things. With so few cultivation projects per turn, ain't nobody going to vote for just:
If MoSS doesn't get picked in turn 17 or 18 we better hope Yrs will throw us a bone so we don't need the Argent Vent, because Ling Qi ditching her spirit kenning art just as she's going to do a shit ton of spirit kenning in her fief is...well, really fucking stupid.
Oliver_Twister
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Okay, so firstly, I think rushing FFS wouldn't work narratively. It's a successor, yes, but it's supposed to last us until G6, when we start making our personal arts. If there are 4-6 projects and we finish it before that, then that leaves no engagement with FFS until we're at G6. It doesn't work out imo.
Also, the Spirit Seeker social trait quest has been removed from MoSS. It's just that it wasn't grouped with the other social art projects, so Yrs forgot to remove it.
So unless Yrs decides to add new projects, MoSS is only left with Bastion and then the capstone, like UGM.
Edit: I'm not saying we should ignore FFS and all, but like, doing it every 2 turns or so works better imo. And this opinion is for like , everything, not just the upcoming turn vote
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There will have to be projects locked behind green 6 since it is needed for that. We need to get it to a certain point to get to Green 6 not green 7. And that's the only thing we need other than XP. Doing it every two turns basically doubles the time it takes to get to G6. And we will have engagement with it after that because new projects will be unlocked after we actually break through to G6.
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Oliver_Twister
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Corrected. Thanks
The point is that we only have to advance FFS enough as to fulfill the breakthrough requierement, not to completely finish it.
There will still be FFS Projects left even then, so there is no risk of FFS being left on the narrative shelf for a long time, as long as people vote for those Projects.
And when did Yrs remove the Spirit Seeker Project? It was still there in the vote for turn 16. Did he already decide to remove Social Art Projects?
Edit: Oh, I hadn't noticed that Social Art Projects were no longer available in turn 16.
Has Yrs said something on discord about how are we gonna raise our social traits then?
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Through plot, generally by exercising the trait in question
Cool. That's what we had been discussing these last few days on the thread.
Had that actually been announced quite a while ago and I just missed it?
That would be embarrasing.
Yeah it was mentioned a couple months ago iirc on the discord.
Well, it isn't as if I was the only one that didn't know it... hopefully. And we just talked about discord vs thread discussions.
In any case, I know now that Social Art Projects were no longer available for turn 16.
But was this feature already implemented during last turn?
I had actually read that idea before in the thread, but didn't know it was already decided on.
I mean, we didn't improve neither of the 3 Social Traits this turn despite making a pact with Snowblossom Lake and working on the pre-summit meetings, right?
Successfully establishing friendly communication with a nearly ego-less primal spirit really sounds like it should have improved Spirit Seeker.
Or did I miss that too?
Sidenote: is Snowblossom Lake actually 4th realm or just high 3rd?
Oliver_Twister
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It was posted in the T16 Preliminary vote options. I don't think the Discord v SV thing counts here. (Also, please join the discord. It'll be nice discussing the book with more people)
Also, Snowblossom is Cyan (and yeah, a Spirit Seeker upgrade there would be nice. But I kinda want to see how each trait affects rolls before all of that)
I stand corrected.
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Uuuuugggghhh! We've already begun... (The weariness is not towards you, but general) We've had about three turns in each one saying: "The next one will be Bear God" but this never comes... Honestly, at this moment my only absolute is to make Bear God...
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Hey I'm on the Discord usually but I still didn't know about this. No worries.
Oliver_Twister
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Okay so, since we'll get the turn plan options soon, I wanted to discuss new actions. Yrs said he'd rework some actions to better fit the summit, so here's what I'm thinking.
Please not that though some, like the professional actions are confirmed, this is mostly speculation.
Professional:
Personal:
It'll feel weird in my opinion though, especially since LQ et al ALL know that there's a place where underground creatures are invading. It also depends on if the +40 can be banked for now until Cathedral of Winds is available. If it stays, I'm guessing it'll be altered a bit.
What are your thoughts on this? Again, it's just speculation for fun
Please not that though some, like the professional actions are confirmed, this is mostly speculation.
Professional:
- Mountain Halls quest added, may explore convincing the Wang to adopt the White Sky's methods.
- Professional action for Foundations added.
- Professional action for coordinating the Empire and the White Sky's security added
- Starlit Labyrinth removed.
- Cathedral of Winds either stays or goes. Both are valid imo. It can stay because of the recent Ith-ai attack. It can leave because it's not focused on the summit.
- Diviner's Path stays or goes. I can see it leaving since it's connected to Cathedral of Winds.
It'll feel weird in my opinion though, especially since LQ et al ALL know that there's a place where underground creatures are invading. It also depends on if the +40 can be banked for now until Cathedral of Winds is available. If it stays, I'm guessing it'll be altered a bit.
- Eyes of Grudges personal project added.
- Personal action based on the clan and household added.
- Personal action with Bao Qian and Hanyi added.
- Changes to SNR projects with the Void unlock. I'm hoping so. I really want Depths without End and Lake Hei is Wide to be combined.
- Soul of Ice is removed. Added to FFS.
- New FFS projects.
- New LFWT projects.
- Changes to Raising the Bastion and available MoSS projects. Makes sense imo too. If meeting BSY influenced our MoSS projects, then our recent contact with Snowblossom can as well.
- SSR+ creation added
What are your thoughts on this? Again, it's just speculation for fun
Unless Yrs changes the format, we have 1 Retainer Action, 2 Professional and 2 Personal. Though I think we'll all agree to turn a Personal into a Professional.
Either the Wang quest or the Military Collaboration are going to be the Retainer Action. It doesn't matter which as we have to do both. They will probably both be locked.
My stance with Paying Respects is clear. Do it now with Hidden Scribe. We'll also explore the Sect's position in the Summit, so it's pretty important.
So there is 1 Profesional and 1 Personal left. I would like to do the Cathedral plus Diviner combo.
Everything else is already devoted to the Summit, so it would be nice to do something different. Since we have to do a Personal anyway, best to pair it with a fief Action.
The stability and prosperity of the fief are also essential for the diplomatic effort in the mid-term.
A good change would be to merge Cathedral and Diviner into a single Action.
They are meant to go together anyway. So this would encourage us to take it while also freeing a much needed extra Action.
That would allow us to take the hypothetical Foundation, Household or Bao Qian Action. Or Eyes of Grudges.
Eyes of Grudges is a tricky one.
On one hand, I don't want to start another Successor Art until we have advanced FFS more. Because Eyes of Grudges is meant to link with SSR+, right?
But it's usefulness for the Summit is undeniable. Though I'm not sure that starting to cultivate it right before the start will put Ling Qi in the right mindset for it.
Cultivation Actions:
- I don't see why Depths and Wide should be merged. Depths is a practical Project that tangibly improves SNR's techs and unlocks more Projects. Depths is a pure philosophical Project. Revealing the Imperturbable Soul Trait is meant for us to decide if we want to master SNR and acquire it or not. Both of them should give Void Xp now, though.
- Soul of Ice added to FFS is a good bet. We should definitely take it the turn after the summit. For this turn, I would like a Project that increased the area movement penalty of Year End Aria. Right now is only 1, and Snowblossom Shattering needs 3 to fully activate, which we can only inflict in individuo targets.
- Bastion is fine as it is. It's not an active defense tech like SNR, but an environmental damage/penalties negator. Completely different applications.
- Even if SSR+ creation is available, there are too much to do already. I'm not sure if SSR+ is Eyes of Grudges, but if it's not should do Eyes first anyway. We have to think carefully about which arts make a Successor of. Those Successors will most likely turn into our late green suite of arts, after all.
Oliver_Twister
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Huh. I never considered that some of our actions will be retainer actions. I usually assume that Yrs keeps those so that he can move the plot in the way he wants without taking away voting options. If some of the projects become retainer actions, then we'll have more freedom to choose.
I'm also all for 1 personal, 3 professional for the next 2-3 turns. Cathedral of Winds + Diviner's Path sounds nice if the former isn't removed. Merging the two sounds nice. We'll have to wait for tomorrow and see I guess.
For Paying Respects, we already know what the Sect wants from the Summit, so I hope we can just hang out with old friends and say goodbye. I miss Smelly, Ugly, Disgusting River Eel. And hopefully we can still see Ruan Shen and Bian Ya because I'm pretty sure Root Inroads will be removed or changed too.
I'm not sure about EoG too. I don't want to do it for the same reasons. It feels like something that'll be good either during or after the summit.
For cultivation actions,
- I mainly think they should be merged to shorten SNR since we were nearly done before the system change. Other than that, I think them giving Void XP necessitates a change in the projects themselves. I'd just prefer if that change was a fusion, so that we'll have less projects.
- I think Bastion's neat too. I'm honestly okay with any change as long as it increases its appeal. Though if it's changed, I hope it still gives Protection XP. Or Expression/Truth. Again, we'll have to wait for tomorrow and see.
- There's a chance Grudges and SSR+ creation will be linked, like with FFS creation and Idols and Ancestors. Tying a personal action to successors sounds like a good way to make them more personal imo.
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For me it's simple... the plans that have Bear God will have my vote...