Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Not gonne get into to much of it since we obviously can't get our points across in a way that is helpfull to the discussion.

My argument, this entire time, has been that in the Hou Zhuang's Gift 1 of 3 project action we voted for exactly the kind of "big strokes" focus on the Central Valley region you're saying we should expect, and then we did not get the big strokes. That's it.

We voted for
"Hou Zhuang's Gift 1 of 3: Bai Meizhen's father has given you a princely gift as far as intelligence goes. It is time to really delve into it and begin establishing the potential contacts he has given you. [Begins establishing provincial intelligence. Gives +10% to rolls on Long hand of the Law actions during auction. +1 XP to Mystery and Home projects undertaken. Characters: Sixiang]"
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"Focus your network building effort on the Central Valley (+1 to region rep on completion of the Hou Zhuang's gift project. 50% chance on completion of gaining a +1 rep boost with Thundering Hills or South River Jing region)"

The only other thing I'm interested in responding to is that if you look at the phrasing of this vote, it very clearly promises regional information.

I dont see any of these votes as anything other than "establishing the potential contacts" +"network building". I agree that we did not get to actually see much of it only the resulting conversation. But getting "big strokes" of what to expect from the Central Vally seems to me to be outside the scope of those actions. The Vote and action was for getting contacts. we can only get information from said contacts after they are established.


I didn't bring it up. It was in response to somebody else who brought it up, in response to a previous post of mine. Don't pester me with nitpicking spaghetti posting if you aren't going to read the context of what you're picking apart.

Im sorry. I actually did not notice that part in the previous Post when writing my part.
But I think for answers like this we have a quote function to make reading and answering easier.
Not that it excuses me missing a post that was right above on the same page. And again I'm sorry for missing the origin of the point.
Having a discussion in a forum is not easy.
But really "Don't pester me"? Thats unnecessary.
 
Alright. This is getting more tense that I intended to, so this will be my last post about it.

I didn't intend to put words in your mouth. No need to get so riled up about it.
I just genuinely don't understand what kind of "regional information" you wanted Ling Qi to get out of introductory letters, nor what actions you expected Ling Qi to take regarding that information.

The Gift actions are all about getting people to know us, to actually interact with them and build a positive rapport with them. So we can better work together when the time comes to do so.
And that's what we are doing.
 
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I mean, realistically we could have gotten the names of a few lesser nobles -barons, even a viscount or 2 that are vassal to but not part of the Diao or the Wang, but not much more. The gift could have been used by Yrs as a way to create a phone book of the Emerald Sea's lesser nobility, he chose to give us something advancing the plot instead. LQ has the phone book in Sixiang's head anyway, we just don't have it.
 
Don't we have to roll the dice?

To prep for the next arc, please vote for one of the following regions to gain more information and a potential rep boost in for the Hou Zhuang project. Both have a 30% chance of gaining +1 rep if selected.

Hou Zhuang's Gift 2 of 3: Bai Meizhen's father has given you a princely gift as far as intelligence goes. It is time to really delve into it and begin establishing the potential contacts he has given you. [Begins establishing provincial intelligence. Advances the Argent Disciple Trait by 2. 50% chance to give a named contact Characters: Sixiang]

Btw, some amazing art @yrsillar !!

The astral corruption spirit/demon had such an evocative description, I had to get it down as best I can:

External (not mine) references
sadly I lack the equipment and skills to accomplish these aspects, but here's some links to help imagine
For animation when it turns around by rearranging its flesh: schklrp
For coloring the fleshy bits: SKREEEE
 
Hrm...idk how to even roll dice on here...

EDIT: it worked! Hah!

I say we count that for whatever we're rolling...if we're rolling for anything at all that is lol.
Lena27 threw 1 100-faced dice. Total: 89
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Wait so that was the roll for regional rep boost right? And the previous roll from a few days ago was for the Hills or River region rep boost? Doesn't that mean we have one more roll needed for a named contact @yrsillar?
 
Alright. This is getting more tense that I intended to, so this will be my last post about it.

I didn't intend to put words in your mouth. No need to get so riled up about it.
I just genuinely don't understand what kind of "regional information" you wanted Ling Qi to get out of introductory letters, nor what actions you expected Ling Qi to take regarding that information.

The Gift actions are all about getting people to know us, to actually interact with them and build a positive rapport with them. So we can better work together when the time comes to do so.
And that's what we are doing.
Literally any kind of information. I don't get why you expect me to come out with a precise outline on exactly what I'm looking for when there's no example to draw from for what that would look like. But we know it's possible, because this segment of the project-chain is explicitly promising information. So that. That kind of information is what I want. Yrsillar's discretion in information is what I want.

As for why we'd have information, there's two reasons. First, Hou Zhuang provided a bunch of analysis and dossiers on people and interests in the various regions. That's the basis of how we're selecting the people to make inroads with, and there's miles of room to condense that into broad strokes regional information of whatever kind. Second, it's now a couple months into these efforts, and specific letter exchanges have had time to be bilateral. It's trivial to elevate arbitrary relationships invented on the fly past the "first introductions" stage, at Yrsillar's discretion.

Not gonne get into to much of it since we obviously can't get our points across in a way that is helpfull to the discussion.



We voted for
"Hou Zhuang's Gift 1 of 3: Bai Meizhen's father has given you a princely gift as far as intelligence goes. It is time to really delve into it and begin establishing the potential contacts he has given you. [Begins establishing provincial intelligence. Gives +10% to rolls on Long hand of the Law actions during auction. +1 XP to Mystery and Home projects undertaken. Characters: Sixiang]"
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"Focus your network building effort on the Central Valley (+1 to region rep on completion of the Hou Zhuang's gift project. 50% chance on completion of gaining a +1 rep boost with Thundering Hills or South River Jing region)"



I dont see any of these votes as anything other than "establishing the potential contacts" +"network building". I agree that we did not get to actually see much of it only the resulting conversation. But getting "big strokes" of what to expect from the Central Vally seems to me to be outside the scope of those actions. The Vote and action was for getting contacts. we can only get information from said contacts after they are established.




Im sorry. I actually did not notice that part in the previous Post when writing my part.
But I think for answers like this we have a quote function to make reading and answering easier.
Not that it excuses me missing a post that was right above on the same page. And again I'm sorry for missing the origin of the point.
Having a discussion in a forum is not easy.
But really "Don't pester me"? Thats unnecessary.
The way you're breaking posts up into multiple quote blocks is called "spaghetti posting", and it's frowned on because it has a tendency to make replying much more difficult and labor intensive. It's technically against forum rules. That's why I characterized it as "pestering"; it was the contrast in effort being asked and demonstrated.
 
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The way you're breaking posts up into multiple quote blocks is called "spaghetti posting", and it's frowned on because it has a tendency to make replying much more difficult and labor intensive. It's technically against forum rules.

This is really weird - most other communication fora mandate interleaved style replies, dating back to the email area (though enforcement is often spotty, especially after Microsoft Outlook broke the world). Splitting quotes generally makes the reply shorter by providing proximate context so that few-word replies can be understood without having to restate the whole question like schools pretend is a thing. This forum's CSS does make replies unnecessarily large.
 
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This is really weird - most other communication fora mandate interleaved style replies, dating back to the email area (though enforcement is often spotty, especially after Microsoft Outlook broke the world). Splitting quotes generally makes the reply shorter by providing proximate context so that few-word replies can be understood without having to restate the whole question like schools pretend is a thing. This forum's CSS does make replies unnecessarily large.
It's easy for the person who first does it. It can be really challenging to respond to coherently, however, since you're now wrangling all sorts of fragmented responses.

Good chance one of your original points got split up beyond the point of coherent context, making it mostly impossible to address reciprocally in-style.

Which leads into the added headache of formatting now being a much more active challenge. Do you combine some of the splits and not others? None? It's often a headache.

It only really works well if the topic is a list of discrete subjects, lending themselves to independent handling. For interconnected topics it's all too often a mess. Plus confusing for third parties.
 
(different person, uninvolved in the immediate context)



This is really weird - most other communication fora mandate interleaved style replies, dating back to the email area (though enforcement is often spotty, especially after Microsoft Outlook broke the world). Splitting quotes generally makes the reply shorter by providing proximate context so that few-word replies can be understood without having to restate the whole question like schools pretend is a thing. This forum's CSS does make replies unnecessarily large.

If you are interested, there is even a post about it by one of the Directors of the Forum and the reasoning behind it.

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Spaghetti Posting And You

Good evening! Yes, it's me. While it's not spelled the same way front as back, I'm sure you've heard of me. All seeing, all knowing, dashing beyond comparison, the overlord you love to hate, and I have another proclamation from on-high to deliver. And that is.... Stop spaghetti posting...

Fair to say I did not know about it.
I can see why it is relevant for a Forum like SV where you have some threads with hundreds of Post a day and dozens of active precipitants.

Would I find these Post disruptive here in this thread? No.
But since it is Forum policy, I will try to avoid doing it in so future.
 
Turn 15: Arc 3-1 Baroness
The sharp bitter tang of salt in the air was viscerally unpleasant, but at the same time served as a harsh focus to the mind. The dry, dark qi of the little saltwater pool and the subtle rustle of the fungal blooms made for a fine background to her meditations. Since neither her liege nor Gan Guangli and Xia Lin had any use for the place, she had begun to make it hers. The lessons learned with Zhengui on gardening were only of partial use, especially since this place was so out of synch with his way, but she'd begunto toy with some arrangements.

Moist rotting wood carefully buried in a two layered circle inducing the growth of blooming caps of darkness saturated fungus, marked by growing jagged salt crystals at its cardinal points were the limit of her experimentation for the moment, but it did focus the qi a little. She'd want to speak with an expert geomancer before she meddled further.

But it was a nice, relaxing way to wind down while getting work done.

"You mean while I get work done," Sixiang groused. Their image sat in midair before her, one leg crossed under the other while one bare foot dangled down. The moon spirit glared over an open letter.

"Don't give me that," Ling Qi sniffed, cracking open one eye. "I know you enjoy doing voices for each letter."

"Hardly the point, this isn't supposed to be how this bond works!"

"Are you still so flustered by that compliment?" Ling Qi snorted.

"I oughta dunk your head in the pool," Sixiang said flatly.

"You're welcome to try, I didn't know you were being so diligent about training your physical manifestations," Ling Qi said lightly.

Sixiang grumbled, and the wind kicked up sending the letter in their hands to smack Ling Qi across the face.

She laughed as she peeled the paper off, scanning the bottom half of the letter again. "It's good that things are going well for Hanyi."

"Yeah seems the squirts been well received," Sixiang said. "Though the letters that work out to 'where can I get one', kinda suck."

Ling Qi grimaced, it was to be expected. No one was as impolite as Sixiang complied but there were a lot of probes for the origins of her spirit. In a way it was good, as the southern empire had been suffering increasingly cold winters and an interest in Hanyi could drive support for their project, but… it was also probably easy to twist things around and blame the foreigners too once people got their narratives straight.
"Well lucky for me that 'clan secrets' work out in my favor for once," Ling Qi said dryly. "Still reception from the noble and professional contacts in the Foundations region have been very warm." The southwestern part of the province which the Wang called home, and the foothills that rose from the Meng swamps. They were the least developed part of the province, with only the capital of the Wang lands and few minor cities being significant on the provincial scale.

"Yeah, suppose they're just glad to have the raiding pushed further back. Some of it is a little condescending but there's a lot of well meaning advice too," Sixiang said.

Ling Qi hummed an agreement, many, many of the cultivators in the foundations only had cultivator ancestors going back four or five generations at most. That could drive even more stubborn elitism, but it could also breed camaraderie, she supposed Hou Zhuang knew how to judge character.

"Wang Lian's advice on management of subordinates was quite insightful, I admit, I've spent so much time thinking about how to work with other nobles, I've neglected to learn how to work with subordinates," Ling Qi admitted. She had some immediate experience from drills with the Sect military, but Wang Lian's advice lay in how to build up a longer term rapport with civilians. Also she was a little more proud of that correspondence, considering she'd earned it herself.

"Better news, looks like the guy in the ministry of commerce over there you've been talking too hasn't noticed too much said against you in the more capital leaning places. Just the usual grumbling about newbies," Sixiang said, examining the next letter.

That was good, it was too soon to say for certain, but Ling Qi felt that despite presentation, political support for mainstream imperial thought was fairly… squishy on the border. If there was anywhere vulnerable to her allies efforts toward change it was probably in the foothills of the wall. "People are definitely more open there. If Meng Diu makes her push for investment in the south of the Meng lands and I can make a good case to the Wang family, it should have good results."

"Although… that's probably still far away," she sighed.

+1 Rep to Foundations Region. New Professional Option unlocked.

There was a rustle of cloth behind her.

"Its very polite of you, to not startle me again," Ling Qi observed.

"It is wise of you to maintain your perceptions even at rest."

Ling Qi shivered as she felt a spindly hand close around the wisp of light left hovering near the ceiling of the grotto, pulling it down to look at a pale and androgynous face.

"Who are you…" Sixiang looked back and forth worriedly, apparently blind to what she saw

Ling Qi turned her head to peer at the thin, gangly figure crouched like a great insect over the saltwater pool at the same time that her view from the wisp turned this way and that under Shu Yue's examination. "It's Shu Yue, Sixiang, don't worry… too much."

How did they…

"You have mastered formlessness, but there are steps beyond even that. Each person is a world unto themselves, one skilled in the silent art needs only to decide which worlds they exist within," Shu Yue said softly, a whisper spoken into her wisp, before too thin finger's loosened, and Ling Qi jerked the sensory node back up to the ceiling out of reflex.

Sixiang twitched, their eyes widening as they spun around in midair, focusing on the older cultivator as they processed Ling Qi's senses. "...You're a creep, you know that?"

"Yes," said Shu Yue blandly. "Interesting, most do not let their spirits so deeply share their mind. Vulnerable, but a good defense as well. That will not be expected."

Ling Qi glanced to Sixiang, who was still squinting, their qi feeling around the room in pulses and passing through Shu Yue as if they were not there, even as they stood, pacing around the pool toward Ling Qi. Sixiang's effort to detect them adjusted a fraction of a second after each step.

Ling Qi stood as well, offering a bow of respect. "There is no need for me to be alone anymore."

Shu Yue stopped, head tilting at an angle that should have strained or even broken their neck. "...No, I suppose there is not. I have inspected this 'prison'."

"Is it an immediate danger?" Ling Qi asked.

"Given another century or further interference from the Cloud Tribe? Yes," said the spirit like cultivator, straightening into a more human posture. Their dark eyes remained fixed on her face. "But, baring that I have determined that it is a problem within your abilities to resolve."

"Then we will do so," Ling Qi said shortly, trying not to bely how unsettled she felt by Shu Yue's inspection.

"You will," agreed Shu Yue. Ling Qi saw Sixiang twitch, though she saw not a single ripple of qi. It seemed Shu Yue had stopped playing their game. "What is it you are doing here?"

Ling Qi almost asked if they did not already know, but she understood the intent of the question. "I am cultivating my senses of course, elder."

"So you are," they said thoughtfully. "You trust eyes gifted to you from the land of poisons and lakes? Trust enough to take them into your body?"

Ling QI dipped her head, acknowledging the continuation of the metaphor. "No, I trust these eyes, freely given by a father. I am not yet… free enough to cultivate my own."

"Curious formulation," said Shu Yue, the same flicker step movement, as if the world were blinking and missing steps, carried them to stand over Ling Qi. "You think yourself unfree?"

Ling Qi frowned, even as Sixiang's manifestation rippled and vanished, reappearing over her shoulders. "...Only in that my abilities don't match my responsibilities. I can still only be in one place at a time, I can still only move so fast. It's not enough."

"It will never be enough," Shu Yue said quietly.

Ling Qi frowned, rubbing her arm where it had been broken. "...If you can't break at least a few rules I don't think you can be said to walk the path of cultivation."

The thin lips of that pale face curled up, too wide grin, with nothing but darkness behind them. "A good conviction. What rule are you breaking?"

"I am not sure yet," Ling Qi admitted. "I am not alone, but I can't care for everyone. Maybe I can listen though, and pass words to those who can."

It was something she had been thinking about in her meditations on community, her place in it, and the cold that lived inside of it. Would it have made a difference if outside eyes fell on Tonghou? Once she would have said no, but now… it depending on which eyes, she supposed.

"Hm, and what do these words say?" Shu Yue asked.

"That the south is neglected. They form community among themselves, because Xiangmen and the Labyrinth city are both far away. The Wang clan works tirelessly, but in the end the future dreamt by the Builder is far away. Eyes are looking to my Lady and I, because we stand to make the province care."

Wariness and dismissal were still thick on the ground. They were too young, their accomplishments too few.

But they dangled a tantalizing promise. That the raiding could not just be pushed away, but that it could stop. And so there were those who reached out, the hopeful, the ambitious, the grasping alike.

Shu Yue, bowed their head, black hair spilling over their shoulders. "Good. All who seek change, who seek rule, must…"

"Build the Foundations," Ling Qi said lightly. Sixiang groaned.

The older cultivator paused, staring at them, Ling Qi felt the faint tickle of sweat springing up on her forehead. But Shu Yue only gave a dry, rasping cough of laughter. "Yes. Ling Qi, know that I have established myself, in the future I will be available to make good on my words. You walk a different path than I, but I still have insights."

Ling Qi bowed deeply, any hint of her slightly cheeky smile disappearing. "Honored Elder."

They were silent for a moment, tapping their fingers together. "We may explore the depths of the lonely street, the darkness of faces turned away, these are the silent arts. There are the mysteries of separation, of space and motion, the shadow and the breeze. And… there are the mysteries of sight, the eye of grudges. These are what I deem you ready for."

"You will only teach one?" Ling Qi asked carefully.

"When the lesson is finished, I will evaluate where you stand."

[ ] The Silent Arts (Opens Personal action to raise the Vanishing Trait, and gain Isolation and Want XP)

[ ] Mysteries of Separation (Opens Personal action to raise the Sable Grace Trait, and gain Motion and Freedom XP)

[ ] The Eye of Grudges (Opens personal action to raise Inquisitive Eyes, and gain Persistence and Endings XP)

AN: In addition I am opening omake points for the rollto gain a contact. Starting success is fifty percent.
 
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It's good to see Shu Yue can appreciate a good pun. Now it's time to make them progressively worse and see how long it takes to make her groan. Cabbage river was only the start.

As for the arts, I think I like separation most. Motion and connection are good things to link to explore now that we're away from the Sect and in a new land. Eyes of Grudges is interesting, but I don't want grudges to be how LQ sees the world, If that makes sense.
 
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Well that was fun! I really like Shu Yue and am glad they are gonna start actively tutoring us!

Right now I'm leaning towards the sable grace one but could be convinced to change my mind.

Also if anyone wants to spend omake points on getting a new contact now is the time!
 
[X] The Eye of Grudges (Opens personal action to raise Inquisitive Eyes, and gain Persistence and Endings XP)

Insight is one of the most important aspects in a xianxia, it's what facilities understanding and with it our power, of all kinds. Knowledge is power and all that :V

Yes, the more I think about it the more sure I am.
 
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[ ] The Silent Arts (Opens Personal action to raise the Vanishing Trait, and gain Isolation and Want XP)

[ ] Mysteries of Separation (Opens Personal action to raise the Sable Grace Trait, and gain Motion and Freedom XP)

[ ] The Eye of Grudges (Opens personal action to raise Inquisitive Eyes, and gain Persistence and Endings XP)
I had to look them up, so assuming i'm not the only one that didn't memorize the whole character page, here:

Vanishing(G): 9 (10)
The art of dispersal, of scattering, rendering oneself into no more than dust on the wind, the shadow of leaves on the forest floor. Hidden from sight and spirit, less than even a ghost, you cannot be tracked by those beneath your realm. Among Realm peers, only those who have woven hunting and seeking into their Way may have a chance to find you when you do not wish to be found.
  • Isolation III (2/5): As starvation is privation of the body, isolation is privation of the soul. To be alone is to suffer,yet it is possible to find meaning in hardship. What do the cold streets of that sad city mean?
  • Want III (0/5): Want is the soul reaching out, the impetus of connection, the abrogation of Isolation, the seed of Community and Home.

Sable Grace(G): 8(11)
Motion without motion. A flickering dance of uncertainty, never in only one place, dancing as the wind and the shadows do. Primary Movement
  • Motion II (2/3): To fly, to run to climb, these are happiness
  • Connection ??? @yrsillar : "Connection" doesn't appear in Ling Qi's Conceptual Projects info page
  • [edit] Freedom I (1/2): Freedom is a blade, joy and isolation are its edges

Inquisitive Eyes(G): 7 (10)
Silver eyes, always seeking. Analyze swiftly and efficiently. A gaze that penetrates illusion and falsehood, breaking down cipher and security. Primary Perception
  • Persistence II (1/3): The world is in flux and things last only due to the exertion of will.
  • Endings I (1/2): All things end in time, it is the journey to ending that has meaning.
 
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I really like our new creepy tutor. Can we please not blow them up? at least for now?

Isolation III (2/5): As starvation is privation of the body, isolation is privation of the soul. To be alone is to suffer,yet it is possible to find meaning in hardship. What do the cold streets of that sad city mean?
Motion II (2/3): To fly, to run to climb, these are happiness

our gains this turn (up to now) would update Isolation and Motion
Isolation III (2/5) -> Isolation IV (1/8)
Motion II (1/3) -> Motion III (2/5)

Editing Freedom:

Freedom I (1/2): Freedom is a blade, joy and isolation are its edges
(with the gains this turn)
Freedom I (1/2) -> Freedom II (1/3)
 
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[ ] The Silent Arts (Opens Personal action to raise the Vanishing Trait, and gain Isolation and Want XP)
Vanishing is currently G9; this would raise it to the cap of G10. My understanding is that sufficiently potent shenanigans allow us to prestige a maxed skill to the next tier, which would give us a hell of a stealth tool. On the other hand, if we don't find some shenanigans allowing for a skill tier up in the near future, then Vanishing will just be stuck at the cap; if any of the later LFotWT projects increase Vanishing, that might end up going to waste. (Unless LFotWT is powerful enough to rank up a capped skill on its own, of course. As a top-tier Moon art, it seems possible, though I wouldn't bet on it.)

Isolation and Want are neat, and an extra 1 XP would cut down the number of projects required to hit Iso V and Want IV by one. But they're both available in multiple current projects and likely to come up in FSS+, so the extra XP isn't crucial unless you're just hungry for more Want/Isolation content.

[ ] Mysteries of Separation (Opens Personal action to raise the Sable Grace Trait, and gain Motion and Freedom XP)
Sable Grace is G8, and the available LFotWT project increases it by 1, so this is in pretty much the same boat as The Silent Arts in terms of mechanical breakpoint considerations; we can get to G10 for either choice. That leaves the question of whether we'd prefer upgrading dodge or stealth, which I don't have strong feelings on myself? I'd love them both, of course, but Ling Qi still only has finitely many hands to steal her treasures with; we'll have to prioritize.

As for Motion and Freedom, they're nice, but a single point of either doesn't actually cut down on the number of cultivation projects till next rank up, and we've still got LFotWT and probably Grinning II to explore them. So the XP isn't particularly compelling unless you just really want to maximize the amount of Motion and Freedom content we get, which, you know, fair.

[ ] The Eye of Grudges (Opens personal action to raise Inquisitive Eyes, and gain Persistence and Endings XP)
I do like more perception, but since Inquisitive Eyes is only G7, it seems unlikely that this would lead us to max it out in the near future. Unless this ends up being a quest chain, maybe? Point is, for the immediate future we'd be picking it for the sake of marginal perception gains, which are useful if not as exciting as the other options.

But Persistence and Endings, whew. Persistence is fine, 1 XP only takes us to Persistence II (2/3), but since we've been getting most of our Persistence from votes rather than projects that might still have value. Endings, though? 1 XP gets us to Endings II, and we have no only one other projects to raise Endings so far. This personal action would let us hit Endings II before we make FSS+ next turn, which, given that Endings are FSS's whole thing, seems quite useful.

Mind you, simply taking FSS+/Idols and Ancestors might give us an Endings XP while we're building up the art, in which case a lone Endings XP wouldn't actually buy us that much, but I think it's a definite point in this option's favor.

(Also, this lesson is called the Eye of Grudges and it teaches us about Endings, so it'll probably involve Shu Yue being super edgy while instructing us. I consider this a plus.)
 
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